(May 27, 2019 at 7:57 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: I'm seeking information on whether or not the biblical Adam & Eve story was derived from earlier myths, such a Babylonian or Sumerian creation stories. Please include citations and or links. Thank you. 

Well, there is a parallell in the sumerian myth of the creation of man:

"Man, according to both the Hebrews and the Sumerians, was conceived as having been fashioned of clay and imbued with the 'breath of life.' The purpose for which he was created was to serve the gods - or Jahweh alone, in the case of the Hebrews - with prayer, supplication, and sacrifices."

The sumerian literary myths predates the hebrew literary myths by about a thousand years:

"[T]he earliest parts of the Bible, it is generally agreed, were not written down in their present for much earlier than 1000 B.C., whereas most of the Sumerian literary documents were composed about 2000 B.C. or not long afterward. There is, therefore, no question of any contemporary borrowing from the Sumerian literary sources. Sumerian influence penetrated the Bible through the Canaanite, Hurrian, Hittite, and Akkadian literatures - particularly through the latter, since, as is well known, the Akkadian language was used all over Palestine and its environs in the second millenium B.C. as the common language of practically the entire literary world. Akkadian literary works must therefore have been well known to Palestinian men of letters, including the Hebrews"

Source: The Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character by Noah Kramer.

(June 10, 2019 at 11:03 am)madog Wrote:

(June 10, 2019 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote: why would anyone consider anything you wrote as being inspired by anything beside a second rate poorly thought out imagination?  

Thats exactly my question to you ....

And does the fact you rely on Goat herders imaginations make it more valid than someone relying on their own imagination?

No... how long have you been a member here?

My understanding comes from personal experience. I have well documented and discussed everything from my judgement before Christ my subsequent sentence to hell, my second chance, andan personal experience of a angel who without a dozen words from me, told me of the prayers I prayed as a child. told me God heard them and would answer them then told me of my current situation in great detail then told me of a futute where 2/3 of it has indeed played out.

Not only that I have spent 20 years studying religion as a result of this and have tested the various forms of worship in the ways they allow/if allowed.

Some are as you think excercises in blind faith. Christianity is different in that it promises if you seek God in his terms he will personally 'show up.'

So you asked why do I believe? because I followed what God said in the bible and he showed up present day..

Again nothing I said here is new. I shared all of this from the beginning what 6 or 7 years ago and can provide you links.

Do you see what you miss when all you do is try and make puns?

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(June 10, 2019 at 1:41 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 10, 2019 at 11:03 am)madog Wrote: Thats exactly my question to you ....

And does the fact you rely on Goat herders imaginations make it more valid than someone relying on their own imagination?

It's worse than that; the Old Testament was written centuries to over a millennia after some of the events that it claims to purport, only to be redacted and modified over several more centuries later on.  Yahweh was no different than Baal; he was a local deity, one of thousands worshipped throughout ancient Mesopotamia.

what are you talking about? we have OT proof that the OT bible we have is an exact copy/translation of the same exact OT Jesus Christ Himself had access too. If he saw it and acknowledge it as being accurate for any Christian this is all that is needed. As again we are not OT Jews but new covenant Christians.

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(June 10, 2019 at 2:56 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(June 10, 2019 at 9:44 am)Drich Wrote: Perfect example of what I was talking about...

You want the accolades of knowing what is and what is not divinely inspired, not for the sake of know there is a god, but to use an authority or to use the written word to put someone into check, but alas, you are far to ignorant of any written work to to silence anyone on a topic. so you resort to what? Name calling and more self deluded expertise and 'education?'

why would anyone consider anything you wrote as being inspired by anything beside a second rate poorly thought out imagination? Again you think you are drawing parallels between reality and religion, but all you are doing is showcasing how little you real know about the basic/fundamentals of this religion. It's almost like watching a 13 year olds version of the broadway play "the book of mormon." You get all of the fart jokes, you remember to cuss god, but anything over your head.. you pretend is not there. s when you bring your synopsis to the table, your offering is... barely tenable and equally incoherent most of the time.

Why? because douche bag, you have to really understand that which you seek to parody. you have to know the material better than the religious know the material. again, you don't. you have middle schoolers grasp of a subject you simply hate. and it shows.

Know this kind of blind hate 50 years ago would have placed you in the clan. because like them, you do not even understand the focus of your hate. you are simply ok hating ith the group think you are apart of. you have harsh feelings based on little to nothing scriptural. you just don't like the idea of God or god's people living in your world.. like wise 50 years ago it was ok just not to like the idea of black people living in your world. you are just the modern 'moral' bigot.



Again, you mimic those who have put in the time to be able to quote and memorize texts of which you are completely unfamiliar with. and your strongest objection is little more than a plea to your own vanity (to help you feel better about your contributions here) and an attempt to attack me personally. I on the other hand showed you have no academic or even philosophical reason to display such vitriol against Christian outside of common group think hatred. Change my mind/prove me wrong.

I"m not surprised you've delved into needless name calling but if we must, have a read, witless imbecile;

Once again like a broken record or more aptly like a man struggling with inadequacies  you falsely label my prose as mimicry and again I must tell you, as slowly as I can since apparently, your reading comprehension is nil to naught;

I only spread the gospel truth. Your unwillingness to accept this is a byproduct of what I can only assume was abusive indoctrination as a child.

Yet still, I and all Pastafarians will welcome you with open arms, open minds, and open hearts should you ever find your way out of the dark fog and bile you bury yourself in.

Bless. RAmen

Then allow me to simplify...

SHOW ME THIS DOCTRINE

DOCTRINE=Documented truth.

Documented truth=your holy book of noodles or whatever publication you follow/something that shows you are not just making things up as you go.

Do you understand now? or do I need to make my request more simple?

(June 12, 2019 at 9:09 am)Drich Wrote: Do you see what you miss when all you do is try and make puns? 

When someone spends 20 years studying mythology and that manifests into delusions of chatting with an angel, rational conversation is pointless.

(June 12, 2019 at 9:09 am)Drich Wrote: Then allow me to simplify...

SHOW ME THIS DOCTRINE

DOCTRINE=Documented truth.

Documented truth=your holy book of noodles or whatever publication you follow/something that shows you are not just making things up as you go.

Do you understand now? or do I need to make my request more simple?

Apparently, your reading comprehension grows worse:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59194-p...pid1914015

I gave you the information in that thread;

Quote:Pastafarians have no manifesto which Is an odd choice of words, I digress, we have mostly two holy commandments.
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1: Don't be a dick  2: be and let be

https://www.klps.pl/pliki/gospel_fsm_eng.pdf  (I forewarn your closed mind will make you blind to its inherent truths)

This is just one of the numerous holy scriptures;
We also find much in common with our allies here: https://thesatanictemple.com/

Additonal link; https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/the-s...le-library

Bless. Ramen

I know that sometimes the last two functional brain cells you have to fight furiously for oxygen, but, I promise the divine truths held within the teachings of FSM will lift you up.

 You too will herald the name above all names. The king of kings, Your hopefully soon to be personal savior, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Bless and RAmen.

(June 12, 2019 at 10:14 am)madog Wrote:

(June 12, 2019 at 9:09 am)Drich Wrote: Do you see what you miss when all you do is try and make puns? 

When someone spends 20 years studying mythology and that manifests into delusions of chatting with an angel, rational conversation is pointless.

again... the study was the result of my experience... do you see how you have to lie and twist my words just to fashion a stinger for your conclusion?

Besides that why would you assume my conclusion about god would be any different than yours if in fact my experience with god was the same as yours?

I did not start life as a believer. it wasn't till my 20 that I was kicked started in the faith. I was a staunch atheist who thoroughly enjoyed kicking the crap out of christians verbally and physically in high school.

It took something very big to change me.

(June 12, 2019 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote:  I was a staunch atheist who thoroughly enjoyed kicking the crap out of christians verbally and physically in high school.

Sounds like you were a shitty Atheist too  ... seems you are better suited to being subservient To a mythical Tyrant 

(June 12, 2019 at 10:31 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(June 12, 2019 at 9:09 am)Drich Wrote: Then allow me to simplify...

SHOW ME THIS DOCTRINE

DOCTRINE=Documented truth.

Documented truth=your holy book of noodles or whatever publication you follow/something that shows you are not just making things up as you go.

Do you understand now? or do I need to make my request more simple?

Apparently, your reading comprehension grows worse:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59194-p...pid1914015

I gave you the information in that thread;

Quote:Pastafarians have no manifesto which Is an odd choice of words, I digress, we have mostly two holy commandments.
,
1: Don't be a dick  2: be and let be

https://www.klps.pl/pliki/gospel_fsm_eng.pdf  (I forewarn your closed mind will make you blind to its inherent truths)

This is just one of the numerous holy scriptures;
We also find much in common with our allies here: https://thesatanictemple.com/

Additonal link; https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/the-s...le-library

Bless. Ramen

I know that sometimes the last two functional brain cells you have to fight furiously for oxygen, but, I promise the divine truths held within the teachings of FSM will lift you up.

 You too will herald the name above all names. The king of kings, Your hopefully soon to be personal savior, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Bless and RAmen.

Perfect!
Now can you correlate your teaching with actual book chapter and verse from you fsm guide book?

Remember you said I can not stand a competing faith, so then show me where what you said previously is indeed apart of your faith show me/guide me through your book! As I show and guided you through correcting your misnomers and misrepresentations of the bible by providing you with scriptural correction!

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(June 12, 2019 at 11:56 am)madog Wrote:

(June 12, 2019 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote:  I was a staunch atheist who thoroughly enjoyed kicking the crap out of christians verbally and physically in high school.

Sounds like you were a shitty Atheist too  ... seems you are better suited to being subservient To a mythical Tyrant 

No I was committed. remember 25 years ago it was cool to beat on christian in school. espically when they could not answer simple questions... 

Wait a tick isn't that what you still do here verbally?

you think pushing someone's books into a mud puddle and maybe putting your foot in their ass to push them into said puddle is more shitty than trying to destroy and attack every intellectual fiber of a person's psyche? to attack their intelligence their beliefs and their iquity? debasing them relentlessly in a dog pile fashion... oh, that's right the law of hyprocris say so log as a beating is not physical there is no limits!

(June 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 12, 2019 at 10:31 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Apparently, your reading comprehension grows worse:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59194-p...pid1914015

I gave you the information in that thread;


I know that sometimes the last two functional brain cells you have to fight furiously for oxygen, but, I promise the divine truths held within the teachings of FSM will lift you up.

 You too will herald the name above all names. The king of kings, Your hopefully soon to be personal savior, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Bless and RAmen.

Perfect!
Now can you correlate your teaching with actual book chapter and verse from you fsm guide book?

Remember you said I can not stand a competing faith, so then show me where what you said previously is indeed apart of your faith show me/guide me through your book! As I show and guided you through correcting your misnomers and misrepresentations of the bible by providing you with scriptural correction!

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(June 12, 2019 at 11:56 am)madog Wrote: Sounds like you were a shitty Atheist too  ... seems you are better suited to being subservient To a mythical Tyrant 

No I was committed. remember 25 years ago it was cool to beat on christian in school. espically when they could not answer simple questions... 

Wait a tick isn't that what you still do here verbally?

you think pushing someone's books into a mud puddle and maybe putting your foot in their ass to push them into said puddle is more shitty than trying to destroy and attack every intellectual fiber of a person's psyche? to attack their intelligence their beliefs and their iquity? debasing them relentlessly in a dog pile fashion... oh, that's right the law of hyprocris say so log as a beating is not physical there is no limits!

Sure, But your laughing emoji makes me think you have no intention on listening.  This is the root of your problem.

What a sad little man you are.

Eternal blessings.

RAmen.

(June 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: you think pushing someone's books into a mud puddle and maybe putting your foot in their ass to push them into said puddle is more shitty than trying to destroy and attack every intellectual fiber of a person's psyche?  

Before even considering that question, ask your self why you are here  ... Is it to socialise with atheists or to push your shitty book that thinks we atheists deserve to burn in hell?

(June 12, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(June 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: Perfect!
Now can you correlate your teaching with actual book chapter and verse from you fsm guide book?

Remember you said I can not stand a competing faith, so then show me where what you said previously is indeed apart of your faith show me/guide me through your book! As I show and guided you through correcting your misnomers and misrepresentations of the bible by providing you with scriptural correction!

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No I was committed. remember 25 years ago it was cool to beat on christian in school. espically when they could not answer simple questions... 

Wait a tick isn't that what you still do here verbally?

you think pushing someone's books into a mud puddle and maybe putting your foot in their ass to push them into said puddle is more shitty than trying to destroy and attack every intellectual fiber of a person's psyche? to attack their intelligence their beliefs and their iquity? debasing them relentlessly in a dog pile fashion... oh, that's right the law of hyprocris say so log as a beating is not physical there is no limits!

Sure, But your laughing emoji makes me think you have no intention on listening.  This is the root of your problem.

What a sad little man you are.

Eternal blessings.

RAmen.

What was funny is you where only alluding to this book earlier when I asked for reference you pointed to the book as a whole. and a 2nd time but now the third time you say you can finally point to book chapter and verse which is what I asked for from the beginning, but according to you I'm the one with bad or worsening reading comprehension skills.

So please in good faith (which you claim you abundantly have) and as I personally have shown each and every single one of you despite how it may be received I ask you provide the correlating book chapter and verse to everything you where preaching to me about in the last few pages of dialog.

because otherwise you are using the FSM book as a manifesto just like some nut on a street corner with a bible condemning random people spreading your own truths which may have nothing to do with this 'boutique religion.'

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(June 12, 2019 at 1:14 pm)madog Wrote:

(June 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: you think pushing someone's books into a mud puddle and maybe putting your foot in their ass to push them into said puddle is more shitty than trying to destroy and attack every intellectual fiber of a person's psyche?  

Before even considering that question, ask your self why you are here  ... Is it to socialise with atheists or to push your shitty book that thinks we atheists deserve to burn in hell?

I answer that in my hell thread. and in my opening post to this forum.

I am here to answer any bible based questions any of you may have with bible based answers concerning God the bible or aspects of this religion. and I am here to correct any misrepersentations of the bible and or scripture that i see and provide the truth to who seek it. Why? because as I point out in the hell thread after I was shown the truth of everything ad how life and the after life all worked together i realized my problem was with my own lack of simple understanding.

that early on I was corrupted by religion and misunderstood god. What made hell hell was not so much (hell fire) but the idea that I was there for the lack of a better word my own pride in how i thought the world and God worked. I realized my problem was not with God but my own limited understanding and what would eat me alive in hell was the idea of what if... what if i only knew better would I have approached God differently. While i knew i deserved hell the idea of thinking what if forever haunted me

This desire to understand God better is what kicked off 20+ years of study. which come to find out is not necessary. the path to God is far simplier to find and truthfully NOT a blind faith based exercise! You do what God says do and meet him how and where he says. He will show up one way or another. It the single promise this whole religion has been based on and has thrived on for over 2000 years. it is why it can not be shaken from those who know what they have seen and experienced.