Atheists are being namby-pamby to death by allowing it to have the final say.

(October 2, 2019 at 2:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: Atheists are being namby-pamby to death by allowing it to have the final say.

Lol. Your religion's continuation relies on peoples fear of death. Atheists are able to face the facts around death and accept them, being namby-pamby as you put it implies some sort of lack of courage, it takes no courage to believe any old nonsense that is put in front of you to make you feel better about reality.  

Believing any old nonsense might help you to feel secure and help you to sleep at night, but time is ticking for you, me and everyone else. Get used to it.

(September 15, 2019 at 6:24 am)Grandizer Wrote: I think the belief in a risen Jesus is better explained by potential naturalistic explanations than by a potential supernatural one, and you don't even need to argue the Gospels are complete myths to come up with a naturalistic explanation that's more compelling than a miracle case. One example: Joseph of Arimathea ended up moving Jesus' body to a private place during the night, in the hope that it would make things easier for the Messiah to come back to life and fulfill the expectations that he was supposed to meet. When that didn't happen, Jesus' body nevertheless stayed there and was never moved back to the original tomb. Joseph also decided not to let anyone know about this, so when rumors spread that Jesus had risen, he chose not to say anything about it.

Or it may be he decided to lie to the other disciples and have them believe Jesus rose from the dead (he or one of his men could have been the "angel" in the empty tomb when the women came to visit Jesus' body). Perhaps to spark some strong faith-based rebellion against the Romans.

Too many necessary information withheld from us so that one cannot really make any confident case for what triggered the Christ faith, but the point is the case for the Resurrection is just damn weak.

Or, much more likely still, none of it happened.

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(September 16, 2019 at 8:44 am)Acrobat Wrote: Secondly when Messiah claimant dies, their communities and followers tended to die along with them. There's no coming back from the Cross, hence why the cross was such an effective tool of Roman power. 

Of course the fact that given the bible narrative, there is no rhyme nor reason for Rome crucifying Yeshua. At the time Iudea was a separate client state not part of Rome proper, so Roman law didn't apply. Secondly if it did apply Yeshua didn't commit any crime under Roman law, beither was he a political threat (in fact, given his utterances Yeshua was the kind of religious figure Rome would have liked). And finally he wasn't convicted by Rome but by the Sanhedrin, who didn't apply crucifiction as a punishment. And they were very careful to not step on the toes of local laws and courts.

(October 2, 2019 at 2:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: Atheists are being namby-pamby to death by allowing it to have the final say.

I'm sorry, in English please, not gibberish.

(October 2, 2019 at 2:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: Atheists are being namby-pamby to death by allowing it to have the final say.

Classic projection. Theists usually are the ones so afraid of death that pander for an afterlife. And death will have the final say for you, and every living being.

(October 2, 2019 at 2:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: Atheists are being namby-pamby to death by allowing it to have the final say.

I’ve sat with a number of people as they’ve died.

My experience is that it is the religious people who generally have more fear of dying than the non religious.

And I don’t think it’s necessarily a fear of death but what they believe comes after. You see I suspect, for many, their religion sets such a high standard for getting into “heaven”, or the ways of getting in are so contradictory, that many believe they’ll end up in “hell” anyway.

Jesus, a plumber by day, and a Vegas lounge act by night.

(September 19, 2019 at 2:04 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(September 15, 2019 at 6:24 am)Grandizer Wrote: I think the belief in a risen Jesus is better explained by potential naturalistic explanations than by a potential supernatural one, and you don't even need to argue the Gospels are complete myths to come up with a naturalistic explanation that's more compelling than a miracle case. One example: Joseph of Arimathea ended up moving Jesus' body to a private place during the night, in the hope that it would make things easier for the Messiah to come back to life and fulfill the expectations that he was supposed to meet. When that didn't happen, Jesus' body nevertheless stayed there and was never moved back to the original tomb. Joseph also decided not to let anyone know about this, so when rumors spread that Jesus had risen, he chose not to say anything about it.

Or it may be he decided to lie to the other disciples and have them believe Jesus rose from the dead (he or one of his men could have been the "angel" in the empty tomb when the women came to visit Jesus' body). Perhaps to spark some strong faith-based rebellion against the Romans.

Too many necessary information withheld from us so that one cannot really make any confident case for what triggered the Christ faith, but the point is the case for the Resurrection is just damn weak.

God’s existence is known by every human being: 1. Creation 2. Christ Jesus - lived, died, resurrected 3. Humans have internal knowledge of God since made-in-image of God which is the spirit component that people have that gives them eternal existence. Plants have only body; Animals, body and exhibit ‘soulish’ behavior.

Apparently, we have knowledge of god through the CLAIMS of its followers...

(October 3, 2019 at 12:56 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(October 2, 2019 at 2:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: Atheists are being namby-pamby to death by allowing it to have the final say.

Classic projection. Theists usually are the ones so afraid of death that pander for an afterlife. And death will have the final say for you, and every living being.

That makes the point: atheists do not stand up to death, they allow it to push them around.*

*Turning the tables on death -     Rev 1:18  "I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of Hades and of death."

(October 4, 2019 at 2:15 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 3, 2019 at 12:56 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Classic projection. Theists usually are the ones so afraid of death that pander for an afterlife. And death will have the final say for you, and every living being.

That makes the point: atheists do not stand up to death, they allow it to push them around.*

*Turning the tables on death -     Rev 1:18  "I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of Hades and of death."

Nobody 'turns the tables' on death. No amount of wishful thinking can ever change that...

I know it's hard for you to believe that you're insignificant and pointless and there's no ultimate purpose to you existence, but when you are able to understand that maybe you're not important after all, and you are in exactly the same boat as everybody else, you will find peace brother.

Relax, face facts and enjoy your limited time here.