(December 3, 2019 at 9:05 am)Fierce Wrote:

(December 3, 2019 at 8:59 am)Little lunch Wrote: Hang on, this guy is smart and also a theist.
You're gonna have to deal with that KitKat. :-)

I have yet to see any sign of intelligence from him, but maybe that's just me.

Maybe I'm easily bedazzled. :-)
I often don't know what the fuck these big brains are talking about.
I see glimpses of it through the leaves, like predator.

Lifelike chemistry created in lab search for ways to study origin of life
Date: November 14, 2019
Source: University of Wisconsin-Madison
Summary: Researchers have cultivated lifelike chemical reactions while pioneering a new strategy for studying the origin of life.

Quote:University of Wisconsin-Madison researchers have cultivated lifelike chemical reactions while pioneering a new strategy for studying the origin of life.

The work is far from jumpstarting life in the lab. Yet, it shows that simple laboratory techniques can spur the kinds of reactions that are likely necessary to explain how life got started on Earth some four billion years ago.

The researchers subjected a rich soup of organic chemicals to repeated selection by constantly paring down the chemical population and letting it build back up again with the addition of new resources. Over generations of selection, the system appeared to consume its raw materials, evidence that selection may have induced the spread of chemical networks capable of propagating themselves.

On longer timescales, these chemical changes oscillated in a repeating pattern. This boom-and-bust cycle isn't yet fully explained, but it is good evidence that the chemical soups established feedback loops resembling those found in living organisms. David Baum, a UW-Madison professor of botany, and his team published their findings Oct. 23, 2019, in the journal Life. The work was funded by the National Science Foundation and NASA.

Now, other researchers can use this experimental approach and help untangle what components are necessary to encourage lifelike chemical systems and whether those chemical networks can go on to evolve more complex traits.

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(December 3, 2019 at 8:49 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 3, 2019 at 8:38 am)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Aren’t you curious that NOWHERE in nature does a code just create itself ?
Especially one that has a translation system and error correction system.
This at the very least is problematic to your foundations.
DNA works just like computer code, not an analogy but gets processed from a symbolic sequence into a working end product.
Again the order of nucleotides is NOT a product of the laws of chemistry, so then how did the sequence manifest?

It's pretty clear that, in nature, a code DOES create itself.  We call it 'DNA'.

You should probably address the responses instead of just repeating yourself.

Boru

That’s a circular argument, I said where ELSE in nature has a code ever created itself?
Show me just one example.
I may have been wrong to expect a modicum of honest cerebral responses here?

There's a 1300+ page thread on this topic, please no one resurrect it, but Yukon Jack might want to read the first ten pages or so, might save some time. It was DNA Proves Existence of a Designer.

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(December 3, 2019 at 10:34 am)Yukon_Jack Wrote:

(December 3, 2019 at 8:49 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It's pretty clear that, in nature, a code DOES create itself. We call it 'DNA'.

You should probably address the responses instead of just repeating yourself.

Boru

That’s a circular argument, I said where ELSE in nature has a code ever created itself?
Show me just one example.
I may have been wrong to expect a modicum of honest cerebral responses here?

Why should there be such an example? What would another example do for life that DNA can't? Your request seems disingenuous, and the responses you've gotten from it reflect that.

Just give one other example of nature being able to produce a code at all. Never mind one with a translation mechanism and error correction, I don’t want to burden you with that part. Just one and I’ll become an atheist

(December 3, 2019 at 8:38 am)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Aren’t you curious that NOWHERE in nature does a code just create itself ?
Especially one that has a translation system and error correction system.
This at the very least is problematic to your foundations.
DNA works just like computer code, not an analogy but gets processed from a symbolic sequence into a working end product.
Again the order of nucleotides is NOT a product of the laws of chemistry, so then how did the sequence manifest?

Actually, DNA works nothing at all like a computer code.

There is no CPU,
it is not a Turing machine,
it doesn't do loops or make decisions,
it isn't programmed,
there is no external memory,
there is no internal cache,

I could continue, but you get the idea.

Next, DNA is NOT a code either. Codes do not have feedback to determine which parts of the code are decoded,
they are not generally tied to a particular medium (nucleic acids, for example), they tend to be independent of the task at hand
rather than having their specific physical properties *being* the message, etc.

We know that fairly short RNA sequences can self-reproduce. Such are within the realm of 'random assembly'. And once you have reproduction,
you get mutation and then evolution, which drastically increases complexity.

(December 3, 2019 at 11:10 am)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Just give one other example of nature being able to produce a code at all. Never mind one with a translation mechanism and error correction, I don’t want to burden you with that part. Just one and I’ll become an atheist

That was easy.: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14305667

https://www.livescience.com/37470-fibonacci-sequence.html

Hey op. Just a quickie, Are humans minimally capable gods?

Ok, ITT Yukon is trying to shift the burden of proof while asserting an argument from incredulity.

Yukon, it is your job to prove that there is a God.

Let's start with a definition of what your God is please.
Then explain the mechanism by which you know that it exists.

(December 3, 2019 at 11:18 am)brewer Wrote:

(December 3, 2019 at 11:10 am)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Just give one other example of nature being able to produce a code at all. Never mind one with a translation mechanism and error correction, I don’t want to burden you with that part. Just one and I’ll become an atheist

That was easy.: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14305667

[/url][url=https://www.livescience.com/37470-fibonacci-sequence.html]https://www.livescience.com/37470-fibonacci-sequence.html

Welcome to the fold, Yukon Jack.  Tacos are NOT optional.

Boru