Yeah, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of our problems would be solved if we got money out of politics, and gave more subsidies to the poorer sections of the country, instead of the richer sections.

Hell, if I was running for president, and I had to choose just one issue, it would be money in politics.

(December 12, 2019 at 7:31 am)CarveTheFive Wrote: Poor people need to get it together. Economic oppression trumps everything else and economic freedom solves almost every other kind of disenfranchisement. No ethnicity, gender identity, or sexual orientation should take priority over economic oppression. It’s still, now more than ever maybe, a CLASS struggle. Everything else is a very distant third.

if by get it together you mean pull a French Revolution

Pretty sure that's what he meant.  When the government willfully makes people go hungry, it's time to get out the torches and pitchforks.

Boru

It is exactly what I meant.

(December 12, 2019 at 3:43 pm)CarveTheFive Wrote: It is exactly what I meant.

Well unfortunately until poor people stop blaming other people. The blacks, the Mexicans, the Jews, the gays etc for their poverty we won’t move forward.

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As long as there’s racism, sexism, ableism, colorism, etc there will always be someone to blame that isn’t the politicians

You know, there's a litany of things I mind being taxed for.

Feeding people is not among them.

(December 12, 2019 at 6:05 pm)Jackalope Wrote: You know, there's a litany of things I mind being taxed for.

Feeding people is not among them.

Is it Norway that’s giving people a base salary? Geez that would be great here.

welfare programs are a base salary, just not for the people who are broke and on welfare. They're a base salary for processed dairy and corn producers, and the people who retail those products.



I think that so long as necessary items remain consumer goods - base salaries will be inevitable but also insufficient. Lets say the gov gives everyone 1k. Well....people who work have more, and theyre competing from a position of leverage for things both people need and want. That 1k isn't going to buy much of anything when the dust clears.

If they weren't (consumer goods), there wouldn't be any need for base salaries, and the funds used to generate a base salary could just as easily be tasked at turning those needful things into public services. We already insist that things like home ownership and food security create productive members of scoeity and the economy, with multiplicative benefits for their children (and childrens productivity to society and the economy). We also know that food production and construction are things best accomplished by large organizations with strong central planning. Ensuring that every american has a house..that they own...and food..that they own.....would do far more (for far less) than handing people money.

Imagine a life without rent or grocery bills.

(December 15, 2019 at 5:35 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: welfare programs are a base salary, just not for the people who are broke and on welfare.  They're a base salary for processed dairy and corn producers, and the people who retail those products.



I think that so long as necessary items remain consumer goods - base salaries will be inevitable but also insufficient.  Lets say the gov gives everyone 1k.  Well....people who work have more, and theyre competing from a position of leverage for things both people need and want.  That 1k isn't going to buy much of anything when the dust clears.

If they weren't (consumer goods), there wouldn't be any need for base salaries, and the funds used to generate a base salary could just as easily be tasked at turning those needful things into public services.  We already insist that things like home ownership and food security create productive members of scoeity and the economy, with multiplicative benefits for their children (and childrens productivity to society and the economy).  We also know that food production and construction are things best accomplished by large organizations with strong central planning.  Ensuring that every american has a house..that they own...and food..that they own.....would do far more (for far less) than handing people money.

Imagine a life without rent or grocery bills

When you can make zero plus zero equal 3, that brand of economics will be viable.

Quote:When you can make zero plus zero equal 3, that brand of economics will be viable.

When you an actually refute what he wrote instead of giving snarky comments .Your opinion will be viable .