(December 14, 2019 at 11:04 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Your written gibberish is neither scientific  or impressing.


It's embarassing that you think otherwise.

I quoted NASA. And no it's not embarrassing for me; especially when I read about what pre-industreial age scientists used to say.

(December 15, 2019 at 9:51 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(December 14, 2019 at 11:04 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Your written gibberish is neither scientific  or impressing.


It's embarassing that you think otherwise.

I quoted NASA. And no it's not embarrassing for me; especially when I read about what pre-industreial age scientists used to say.

You mean like the pre-industrial age book you cling to?

(December 15, 2019 at 6:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 14, 2019 at 10:38 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: To avoid the "loose" interpretation, word meanings and grammar rules must be used on the sentence investigated in the original language of the text.

I don't think that the text of the Quran is confusing; but I think that many Muslims simply did not like the meaning and each attempted to twist the text via changing the semantics of the whole text by the introduction of the "Hadith".

The "Hadith" is the tool that allows Muslim scholars to interpret the semantics of the Quran -which language rules and Arabic grammar dictates- into what they see fit to serve a political or an economical agenda.

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But it's quantity would never be enough to form the oceans.
To become a planet full of water, earth had to take a "a very strong push" from asteroids and comets full of ice.

No one is denying that the water (the majority of it, at least) came from space.  The issue is whether the Quran got it right.  It's kind of telling that Islamic scholars have never brought up the origin of water on Earth until after scientists sussed it out.

But let's suppose that, a few years or decades from now, the asteroid/cometary sources of water is found to have been wrong.  A new theory posits that water was produced on Earth by exclusively terrestrial processes.  Will you admit that the Quran got it wrong?

Boru

How could a Bedwin man like Mohammed -peace be upon him- say such thing? Islamic scholars didn't even think about the source of water because as I said in the OP:

Quote:AtlasS33 said:

Humans as far as we know took water for granted as a product of earth itself.

The scientific discoveries went in parallel with the verses I quoted in the OP; and it's not a strike of luck: the literal verses mean exactly what I said.

You can't take an ancient text and expect it to go in parallel with something accurate like the scientific theories. You might get it right in one, two, hundred of verses. But eventually a verse will break the parallel line. We saw this with the Roman bible, we saw it again and again in other holy books.

But the Quran never breaks that parallel line. It only breaks it with wrong assumptions and wrong scientific theories.

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(December 15, 2019 at 8:37 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: This shit about things written in ancient books turning true is getting old. I can say that reality is truly random which will make determinism partially true, and ai may be proven right at some point in the future but that doesn't mean anything, it is just a wild a guess based on speculation.
On a side note, depending on your definition of "came from space" everything on earth came from space, even earth itself.

No no no; you read it yourself -without Hadith- and see.

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(December 15, 2019 at 9:53 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(December 15, 2019 at 9:51 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I quoted NASA. And no it's not embarrassing for me; especially when I read about what pre-industreial age scientists used to say.

You mean like the pre-industrial age book you cling to?

The Quran broke the pre-industial age myths about the origin of water on this planet and said it as the verses in the OP said.

(December 15, 2019 at 10:05 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(December 15, 2019 at 9:53 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You mean like the pre-industrial age book you cling to?

The Quran broke the pre-industial age myths about the origin of water on this planet and said it as the verses in the OP said.

Just another collection of bullshit stories told around camel dung campfires. Come visit the 21st C. We have cool toys.

Post hoc interpretation doesn't tell you shit until the scientists have already done the actual thinking. Remind me again how the sun sets in a mud puddle.

(December 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Post hoc interpretation doesn't tell you shit until the scientists have already done the actual thinking. Remind me again how the sun sets in a mud puddle.

This is how the sun sits in mud puddle:



That is a sunset described very accurately, just like they describe it in:

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/lake-placid

https://unsplash.com/s/photos/sunset-lake

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(December 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Post hoc interpretation doesn't tell you shit until the scientists have already done the actual thinking...

As for waiting for "scientists", do you say that the people who thought earth was flat were right in denying all their thoughts, and waiting for the clowns who worked for the Pope to tell them what to believe?

Are Atlas and Mystic cut from the same thawb?

(December 15, 2019 at 1:43 pm)no one Wrote: Are Atlas and Mystic cut from the same thawb?

No. I'm not seeing any common theme between me and him. Instead of trying to shut me up by throwing him against me, it's better for you to reply to the OP if you respect yourself. Reply to the idea to see the difference.

(December 15, 2019 at 1:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(December 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Post hoc interpretation doesn't tell you shit until the scientists have already done the actual thinking. Remind me again how the sun sets in a mud puddle.

This is how the sun sits in mud puddle:



That is a sunset described very accurately, just like they describe it in:

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/lake-placid

https://unsplash.com/s/photos/sunset-lake

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(December 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Post hoc interpretation doesn't tell you shit until the scientists have already done the actual thinking...

As for waiting for "scientists", do you say that the people who thought earth was flat were right in denying all their thoughts, and waiting for the clowns who worked for the Pope to tell them what to believe?

This guy commits a post hoc rationalisation, then gets reminded that he is post hoc rationalising.
Now guess how he answers that.....yeah, with yet another post hoc rationalisation

This guy:
Are Atlas and Mystic cut from the same thawb?

MysticS33:
No. I'm not seeing any common theme between me and him. Instead of trying to shut me up by throwing him against me, it's better for you to reply to the OP if you respect yourself. Reply to the idea to see the difference.

Is that a yes?