(February 1, 2020 at 11:13 am)onlinebiker Wrote: 9 more months of whining about how Hillary had the election stolen - followed by 4 more years of whining that the unelectable candidate the ( D )s run next had their election stolen as well?


If you don't like the Electoral College - fine - if you like try to get it removed from the Constitution....

But pissing and moaning about the rules and laws and calling a legal election "theft"  is some seriously whiney shit.

What neither of you guys are getting is that both truths can exist simultaneously. And I feel like you and the people you're trying to prove wrong are missing this horrendously obvious point, almost purposefully at this stage of events.

Trump can be worthy of impeachment and the Dems can still be butthurt about Hillary losing. There's no reason why two things can't simultaneously be true. If you want to say that some of the claims are overblown, okay... let's hear that argument out. I'm more than willing. But if you're going to straight up deny what Trump has done, you better damn well have some good evidence and/or reasoning to back up what you're about to say, because they case against him is pretty fucking strong, despite the fact that he won't be removed from office.

(February 2, 2020 at 10:44 am)EgoDeath Wrote:

(February 1, 2020 at 11:13 am)onlinebiker Wrote: 9 more months of whining about how Hillary had the election stolen - followed by 4 more years of whining that the unelectable candidate the ( D )s run next had their election stolen as well?


If you don't like the Electoral College - fine - if you like try to get it removed from the Constitution....

But pissing and moaning about the rules and laws and calling a legal election "theft"  is some seriously whiney shit.

What neither of you guys are getting is that both truths can exist simultaneously. And I feel like you and the people you're trying to prove wrong are missing this horrendously obvious point, almost purposefully at this stage of events.

Trump can be worthy of impeachment and the Dems can still be butthurt about Hillary losing. There's no reason why two things can't simultaneously be true. If you want to say that some of the claims are overblown, okay... let's hear that argument out. I'm more than willing. But if you're going to straight up deny what Trump has done, you better damn well have some good evidence and/or reasoning to back up what you're about to say, because they case against him is pretty fucking strong, despite the fact that he won't be removed from office.

Yup.

But ya see - the digital idiots don't believe in third options...

To them you either vote ( D ) or you hate babies, puppies, rainbows and anything else cute and/or fuzzy...... And you MUST have voted for Trump...

(February 2, 2020 at 12:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Yup.

But ya see - the digital idiots don't believe in third options...

To them you either vote ( D ) or you hate babies, puppies, rainbows and anything else cute and/or fuzzy...... And you MUST have voted for Trump...

Well, some things you say make me wonder sometimes. But I'm not paranoid, so I'll take your word for it. I'm glad you're able to see the third side truths that exist in the world.

What's bizarre is a certain overzealous group of conservatives can, at times, act just like an overzealous group of liberals, in that they both only want to see one side of an issue - and that's it. And if you disagree with that narrative, you're a libtard. Or a "cuck." Or on the other side of the coin, you're a Nazi, or even worse, you voted for TRUMP. And these groups act like one another in so many ways.

People should not have to constantly qualify everything they say when criticizing one side of the spectrum or the other, especially when one is pointing out very obvious realities about how certain people behave because of their political affiliations. It's just a way to further demonize people who do not think exactly like you do, and it's silliness.

As a liberal, I should be able to point out where some liberals make certain mistakes without immediately being called a Nazi-sympathizer. That type of behavior is fucking insane, and does absolutely nothing for relations between liberals and other liberals, and certainly not liberals and conservatives.

So, yeah, whether or not people want to admit it, the Dems are still upset Hillary lost, as is Hillary herself. She's been going on podcasts and radio shows and just bashing the fuck out of Bernie Sanders. So the whole situation's fucked. But Trump certainly deserves, or deserved impeachment.

But it's just weird to me... The people on this forum... Some folks could see trump reach over and save a baby kitten from oncoming traffic and find a way to spin it into him being an evil bastard. Very strange.

(February 1, 2020 at 8:52 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s a dead cert that Trump is going to be acquitted next week. The thread running through Republican arguments for acquittal seem to be that nothing Trump did rises to the level of being removed from office.

-He illegally withheld the Ukraine aid.

-He illegally solicited foreign interference in a US election.

-He illegally attempted a cover-up of that solicitation.

-He illegally ordered people in his administration to ignore Congressional subpoenas.

-He illegally engaged in witness intimidation.

-He illegally used non-government personnel to carry out foreign policy.

If these acts (and others too numerous to list) don’t merit his removal from office, what’s left that does?

Boru

Skin and bones, that's what is left. They ate all the meat, now they have to chew the bones, my motto.

Quote:Yup.

But ya see - the digital idiots don't believe in third options...

To them you either vote ( D ) or you hate babies, puppies, rainbows and anything else cute and/or fuzzy...... And you MUST have voted for Trump...

Nah that's just a delusion you conjure up

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Quote:What's bizarre is a certain overzealous group of conservatives can, at times, act just like an overzealous group of liberals, in that they both only want to see one side of an issue - and that's it. And if you disagree with that narrative, you're a libtard. Or a "cuck." Or on the other side of the coin, you're a Nazi, or even worse, you voted for TRUMP. And these groups act like one another in so many ways.

False equivalency 

Quote:People should not have to constantly qualify everything they say when criticizing one side of the spectrum or the other, especially when one is pointing out very obvious realities about how certain people behave because of their political affiliations. It's just a way to further demonize people who do not think exactly like you do, and it's silliness.

Nop just not buying the both are same nonsense 

Quote:As a liberal, I should be able to point out where some liberals make certain mistakes without immediately being called a Nazi-sympathizer. That type of behavior is fucking insane, and does absolutely nothing for relations between liberals and other liberals, and certainly not liberals and conservatives.

A behavior hat doesn't exist 

Quote:So, yeah, whether or not people want to admit it, the Dems are still upset Hillary lost, as is Hillary herself. She's been going on podcasts and radio shows and just bashing the fuck out of Bernie Sanders. So the whole situation's fucked. But Trump certainly deserves, or deserved impeachment.

Yes Trump deserves it and no wee no we got over Hilary's lose ages ago .This has fuck all to do with losing an election, And Hilary has been told to shut it . 

Quote:But it's just weird to me... The people on this forum... Some folks could see trump reach over and save a baby kitten from oncoming traffic and find a way to spin it into him being an evil bastard. Very strange.

It's weird to me people like you conjure up his weird delusion

Once, there was an America that was not only admired, it was an aspiration.

The pinacle of cutting edge engineering, achievement, science, enlightment.

That day has passed. America has willingly made itself a third world, religiuos dictatorship of mere populism. The lowest common denominator is victorious.

I take no pleasure in that fall. I mourn it. The US was once an asperation and achiever of excellence. For whatever reasons, it has turned itself into a third world banana republic.

I cannot do anything about that. I can only watch with regret for the tragedy of the descent of a once great nation. It saddens me.

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

I had the greatest death. Nobody's death was better or more interesting than mine... Easily top three deaths of all time

The U,S is a falling empire, that's for sure.

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Yes I should mention, that finally the U,S is reaping what it sowed for decades allover the world, tasting one's own medicine must suck.

What special definition of empire are you using? How much did you trim off the meaning to reach your supposition?