Ayn Rand ultimately made the stupid fucking argument that "greed was good". 

If she were alive today, one could stipulate she'd side with the likes of Rand Paul and Paul Ryan and even Penn Jillette. 

Here is a quote from a wikipedia article which states her motive for writing "Atlas Shrugged".

 ARTICLE QUOTE "Rand's stated for writing the novel was "to show how desperately the world needs prime movers and how viciously it treats them" and to portray "what happens to the world without them"."

From this link 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shru..._in_Russia

Under the Sub heading in bold, "Context and writing."


I am fucking sick of my species making arguments for dominance which is all this shit is. One can argue that if they are on top, they can help more. And that is true. But what Rand stupidly ignored are assholes like Hitler and Stalin, whom for a while, made things better for their respective populations. 

It isn't as simple as "prime mover". And that term to me is fucking stupid as an atheist, knowing she was herself, an atheist. All she was ultimately arguing was "might makes right" But masked the justification for that in "reason and objectivity". 

I fucking hate her, and it is bullshit logic. I think anyone should value objectivity and reason, which she claimed to promote. But her bullshit to me was no different than any despot or theocrat justifying dominance. 

Never read her stuff..

You obviously have - and it seems to have pissed you off.....


So who's the schmuck?

(February 4, 2020 at 6:19 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Never read her stuff..

You obviously have - and it seems to have pissed you off.....


So who's the schmuck?

Don't be too quick to presume that Brian has read books. He should really just ask the membership to summarize Rand before he decides if he hates her.

Boru

She was an inspiration for 2112, she can't be all that bad.

Quote:Never read her stuff..

You obviously have - and it seems to have pissed you off.....


So who's the schmuck?

How the heck is criticizing a authors books make you a schmuck? Especially when you consider here influence on modern American politics (not for the better)

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Quote:Don't be too quick to presume that Brian has read books. He should really just ask the membership to summarize Rand before he decides if he hates her.

I wouldn't assume this

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(February 4, 2020 at 6:12 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Ayn Rand ultimately made the stupid fucking argument that "greed was good". 

If she were alive today, one could stipulate she'd side with the likes of Rand Paul and Paul Ryan and even Penn Jillette. 

Here is a quote from a wikipedia article which states her motive for writing "Atlas Shrugged".

 ARTICLE QUOTE "Rand's stated for writing the novel was "to show how desperately the world needs prime movers and how viciously it treats them" and to portray "what happens to the world without them"."

From this link 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shru..._in_Russia

Under the Sub heading in bold, "Context and writing."


I am fucking sick of my species making arguments for dominance which is all this shit is. One can argue that if they are on top, they can help more. And that is true. But what Rand stupidly ignored are assholes like Hitler and Stalin, whom for a while, made things better for their respective populations. 

It isn't as simple as "prime mover". And that term to me is fucking stupid as an atheist, knowing she was herself, an atheist. All she was ultimately arguing was "might makes right" But masked the justification for that in "reason and objectivity". 

I fucking hate her, and it is bullshit logic. I think anyone should value objectivity and reason, which she claimed to promote. But her bullshit to me was no different than any despot or theocrat justifying dominance. 

Yup Rand was a piece of shit .Here political philosophy is repugnant and her epistemology is laughable and fictional heroes are all unlikable assholes  .Her only saving grace is her rejection of religion but considering she formed  a personality cult .That's not saying much

(February 4, 2020 at 9:07 pm)no one Wrote: She was an inspiration for 2112, she can't be all that bad.

Yeah, at least 2112 works better as a story than Anthem. And it’s at least tighter-plotted.

And as far as stories arguing “might makes right,” I’m going to leave this monologue from Aunt Dan and Lemon here. At least Wallace Shawn wants the audience to think about this character’s ideology, wondering just how much truth there is or isn’t in what she’s saying, especially as her mentor ends up valuing compassion after decades of embracing fascism and she doesn’t (admittedly, not in this monologue). Ayn Rand just wants to spoon feed you her bullshit ideology and her work suffers for it.

I never saw the draw.

Writers really shouldn't be looked to for ideology. It's all either an effort to entertain you or stir you up however we want to. We're not to be trusted.

Ayn Rand  argued slaughtering the native americans was a good thing .Because it was a rejection of primitivism.

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(February 4, 2020 at 9:25 pm)Shell B Wrote: I never saw the draw.

Writers really shouldn't be looked to for ideology. It's all either an effort to entertain you or stir you up however we want to. We're not to be trusted.

They should be when they make there ideology the center piece of their book and they make it politically prescriptive

(February 4, 2020 at 9:25 pm)Shell B Wrote: I never saw the draw.

Writers really shouldn't be looked to for ideology. It's all either an effort to entertain you or stir you up however we want to. We're not to be trusted.

Either teens looking to be astute readers, or right-wingers looking to prop up their pre-existing ideology. I was the former during my Rand phase.

(February 4, 2020 at 9:44 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(February 4, 2020 at 9:25 pm)Shell B Wrote: I never saw the draw.

Writers really shouldn't be looked to for ideology. It's all either an effort to entertain you or stir you up however we want to. We're not to be trusted.

Either teens looking to be astute readers, or right-wingers looking to prop up their pre-existing ideology. I was the former during my Rand phase.

Yup plenty of youth went through their Rand phase

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Best Quote about Rands work