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(February 14, 2020 at 10:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I have reached a conclusion that people who think hell is "unjustified" and too "brutal" are very naive people with 0 experience in crimes, or they are criminals themselves who never want to taste punishment for their deeds.

The conclusion was reached after spending about 10 years of examining the aftermath of real crimes, especially seeing the images of dead victims before and after the crime.

Hell is so justified. There is no "but"; my consciousness is way better after knowing that the criminal would be thrown in a fire pit to suffer over and over and over. Some people say "how could finite crime result in infinite torture"; but who said hell is infinite? it's heavily long but not infinite, long as in these numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o...far_future



Again; what does life worth? isn't it priceless? it is so priceless, so precious, it is the prospering of mankind in a planet surrounded by emptiness, it is so precious and beyond limit.

I believe that so many do not know how it feels to be born healthy and pretty, but you get that life stripped away from you by the psychopath.

Hell is justified. Just think about all those who suffered in their deaths by the hands of psychopaths.

And this folks, is a perfect reason why religions have to disappear.

Not because they reflect any sort of reality, but because they cause adherents to surrender their moral compass, in deference to a book.

Quote:Again; what does life worth? isn't it priceless? it is so priceless, so precious, it is the prospering of mankind in a planet surrounded by emptiness, it is so precious and beyond limit.

I believe that so many do not know how it feels to be born healthy and pretty, but you get that life stripped away from you by the psychopath.

Hell is justified. Just think about all those who suffered in their deaths by the hands of psychopaths.

And this is where your entire attempt at a logical argument for infinite torture for a finite crime, falls apart.

Doesn't this person who has had their life stripped away, and died early, painful deaths, get to spend eternity in Heaven? Do you really think a person spending eternity in Heaven, really wants the person that ended their 80 year finite life to suffer for eternity? How long would it take the victim in Heaven to forgive them? 1,000 years? 10,000 years? 1,000,000 years?

If my finite life was ended cruelly by a psychopath, and I knew the perpetrator was being punished for eternity for their finite crime, Heaven would become a hell for me. I would not want to go on with the knowledge of this ultimate injustice being perpetrated in my name.

See...

That's what morality and justice actually looks like. Not the distorted version your religion advocates for.

Nobody knows if they are among the condemned in hell or not, just as nobody knows if they are among those in heaven or not.

I can be in hell. I don't know if my deeds would get me to paradise or not.

But many commentators assumed that I'm giving myself a free ticket into paradise for some reason.
Some even reached the level of calling me an "extremist"; despite my stress on the value of life.

Prison is not enough to treat many crimes; that's my opinion.
Especially if a serial killer tortured me and skinned me alive. No; prison is not enough.

I think in the old days, people assumed those in heaven would enjoy seeing their enemies burn in hell. That's part of why it's so bad, in some versions. Most people will eventually forgive all their enemies, or forget their trauma, yet long after that, their god will not spare the punished, because he is the most spiteful entity of all.

AllAss33, do you think that everyone your religion condemns to Hell actually belongs there?

(February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Nobody knows if they are among the condemned in hell or not, just as nobody knows if they are among those in heaven or not.

Not knowing where one will end does not make your unfair system fair

(February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I can be in hell. I don't know if my deeds would get me to paradise or not.

Irrelevant for the fairness of your system, as i already told you above.
You can make an unfair system where you will be treated unfair and suffer.

(February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: But many commentators assumed that I'm giving myself a free ticket into paradise for some reason.

Who, when where?

(February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Some even reached the level of calling me an "extremist"; despite my stress on the value of life.

Asking for infinite punishment for finite crimes is exterme. You are an extremist.
Claiming that anyone who does not agree with your unfair and grossly immoral system is naive or a criminal, is extreme. You are an extremist.

(February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Prison is not enough to treat many crimes; that's my opinion.

Why? Because you say so? Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

(February 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Especially if a serial killer tortured me and skinned me alive. No; prison is not enough.

Why, because you say so?

As SM already has said: Your magic book has sekwed your moral compass bejond recognition. You literally dont know right from wrong anymore. You think an infite crime is a fair punishment for another finite crime. You think an infinite wrong does compensate a finite wrong.

Thats how badly you have been fucked up by your ancient magic book. Stop making excuses for your magic book.

Quote:Nobody knows if they are among the condemned in hell or not, just as nobody knows if they are among those in heaven or not.

Who cares?

Quote:I can be in hell. I don't know if my deeds would get me to paradise or not.

And?

Quote:But many commentators assumed that I'm giving myself a free ticket into paradise for some reason.
Some even reached the level of calling me an "extremist"; despite my stress on the value of life.

You do com off as an extremist

Quote:Prison is not enough to treat many crimes; that's my opinion.
Especially if a serial killer tortured me and skinned me alive. No; prison is not enough.

Opinion

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Quote:Nobody knows if they are among the condemned in hell or not, just as nobody knows if they are among those in heaven or not.

Who cares?

Quote:I can be in hell. I don't know if my deeds would get me to paradise or not.

And?

Quote:But many commentators assumed that I'm giving myself a free ticket into paradise for some reason.
Some even reached the level of calling me an "extremist"; despite my stress on the value of life.

You do com off as an extremist

Quote:Prison is not enough to treat many crimes; that's my opinion.
Especially if a serial killer tortured me and skinned me alive. No; prison is not enough.

Opinion

Not to worry, because Revelations 20:14 says that hades and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire! This is the second death.

So not eternal at all just until god decides to quench your existence in a lake of fire; soul burning fire!

As far as I'm concerned very few crimes are worthy of infinite punishment, let alone torture.

And certainly no way of thinking deserves it.

(February 15, 2020 at 1:50 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Atlas has turned into an extremist.

More of a glide path than an actual turn.

Boru