(February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:If you want to claim someone like Hitler "would" deserve eternal punishment for his crimes, nobody would disagree.

I would.

Boru

Why do I even bother Captain Contrarian?

I am hoping this is sarcasm, please tell me it is sarcasm.

What is the going punishment for 6 million Jews each? I am thinking a bastard like that would require a science calculator or supercomputer to find a cut off point if you are not giving him the eternal death sentence.  Maybe Hitler could apply for parole in 500 billion years?

Are you saying "Life " which would be 25 years each? Multiply that by 6 million, that still would not be eternity.

(February 17, 2020 at 8:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I would.

Boru

Why do I even bother Captain Contrarian?

I am hoping this is sarcasm, please tell me it is sarcasm.

What is the going punishment for 6 million Jews each? I am thinking a bastard like that would require a science calculator or supercomputer to find a cut off point if you are not giving him the eternal death sentence.  Maybe Hitler could apply for parole in 500 billion years?

Are you saying "Life " which would be 25 years each? Multiply that by 6 million, that still would not be eternity.

For the teenth time, PLEASE look up the word ‘contrarian’. You keep using it wrong.

If I agree to an eternal punishment for Hitler because of the horrors he let loose on the world, I would morally have to agree to the same for lesser transgressions. Six million Jews.   Suppose another maniac arises who butchers five million Hindus or four million Sikhs or three million Shinto. Do I support eternal punishment for them? What’s the endpoint? There isn’t one. Eventually, I’ll be supporting eternal damnation for the clerk who shortchanged me at the grocers.

Boru

When I get to hell, I'm going to fuck satan in the ass!

(February 17, 2020 at 8:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 17, 2020 at 8:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Why do I even bother Captain Contrarian?

I am hoping this is sarcasm, please tell me it is sarcasm.

What is the going punishment for 6 million Jews each? I am thinking a bastard like that would require a science calculator or supercomputer to find a cut off point if you are not giving him the eternal death sentence.  Maybe Hitler could apply for parole in 500 billion years?

Are you saying "Life " which would be 25 years each? Multiply that by 6 million, that still would not be eternity.

For the teenth time, PLEASE look up the word ‘contrarian’. You keep using it wrong.

If I agree to an eternal punishment for Hitler because of the horrors he let loose on the world, I would morally have to agree to the same for lesser transgressions. Six million Jews.   Suppose another maniac arises who butchers five million Hindus or four million Sikhs or three million Shinto. Do I support eternal punishment for them? What’s the endpoint? There isn’t one. Eventually, I’ll be supporting eternal damnation for the clerk who shortchanged me at the grocers.

Boru

This is a moot point.

Eternal punishment would be APPROPRIATE for any act of mass genocide. But our species is finite. And there is not such thing as eternal punishment. 

Yea, it sucks when the clerk cant count change though.

(February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 17, 2020 at 8:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: For the teenth time, PLEASE look up the word ‘contrarian’. You keep using it wrong.

If I agree to an eternal punishment for Hitler because of the horrors he let loose on the world, I would morally have to agree to the same for lesser transgressions. Six million Jews.   Suppose another maniac arises who butchers five million Hindus or four million Sikhs or three million Shinto. Do I support eternal punishment for them? What’s the endpoint? There isn’t one. Eventually, I’ll be supporting eternal damnation for the clerk who shortchanged me at the grocers.

Boru

This is a moot point.

Eternal punishment would be APPROPRIATE for any act of mass genocide. But our species is finite. And there is not such thing as eternal punishment. 

Yea, it sucks when the clerk cant count change though.

I agree that it’s moot, I just explaining why I feel the way I do.

Boru

(February 17, 2020 at 8:22 pm)no one Wrote: When I get to hell, I'm going to fuck satan in the ass!

I bet you say that to all the villains. Darth Vader and Lex Luthor are going to be jealous.

(February 17, 2020 at 3:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: If you want to claim someone like Hitler "would" deserve eternal punishment for his crimes, nobody would disagree.

I do!
The rule that infinite punishment for finite crimes is unjust does apply, even to Adolf, period.

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(February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Eternal punishment would be APPROPRIATE for any act of mass genocide.

You do support infinite punishment for finite crimes. Do you realize this? This is no quabble about numbers, its about finite vs infinite. Do.you.get.that? (in)directly you also do support the notion of (christian/muslim, whatever) hell, a place of infinite punishment for finite crimes.

Ultimately, you cant go into a "Hell is justified" thread of Atlas, try to grill him (because he a fucking muslim isnt he? *sarcasm off*) and then keep defending HIS FUCKING POSITION in the next few pages of this thread. :Facepalm:

Im am not so much bothered about your immoral position, but about your lack of intellectual honesty. If you support infite punishment for finite crimes, just say so and accept that you are in line with what most adherents of the abrahamic religions believe.

At work.

Reminds me of some ones writings on a forum, oh so long ago.

The celestial powers that be decide "Yup. Armaggedon time! Lets clean the clock back to lemures!" with gates of (From?) Hell opening up onto the modern day world.

(Well.... the 1990's anywho.)

To which, after a stunned humanity picks its collective jaws off the floor, had the modern industrial complex throwing everything plus refurbished and commisioned Iowa battle ship kitchen appliances right BACK at said spawns of nastyness.

Scenes of Abrams and T72 tanks blasting away merrily at demon spawn while A 10's deliver "BRRRRRT-Y" goodness of fire support abound.

Because, as Deesse23 and others have pointed out, humanity's moral compas/system is actually better than that posed by bronze age, stone throwing primitives.


So... in passjng to AtlasS33?

If there is such a realm as this 'Hell' you propose then the denizens have far more to worry about modern man's inclinations and technology than we have to worry about their pitch forks.

The thing that blows my mind about this, as far as the faithful twisting their scrotums into knots to defend it... is that it would be awfully simple to just acknowledge that the hell nonsense in our magic books is human revenge and murder porn.

God didn't write that shit, god doesn't do that shit. God doesn't require any defense for things it doesn't do. God doesn't run Gitmo.

Is that not an option for you, Atlas? Are you or your god really just one bad plate of shrimp away from flat out torturing a motherfucker on alleged cause?

(February 15, 2020 at 6:28 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(February 15, 2020 at 4:22 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is a whole op, but you don't seem to have read it fully.

Hey bigot, i have fully understood that you are an immoral asshole, advocating grossly unproportional punishments. We also do understand that your mind is so deranged and desparately clinging to your book of immoralities, that you have to claim everybody who does not agree with you is a criminal. The only thing in question is: Did your sacrifice your humanity on the altar of your belief in your magic book or were you such an ass beforehand?

Hey asshole, sitting in your silver tower, eating the best food and farting WMDs for sale, selling people death and weapons and holding the whole world hostage with your nuclear weapons, with a government of assholes like you who keep the cycle going: the cycle of making the profits by selling weapons.

Your cycle of war economy -that your government profit from- ruined the life of millions if not billions.
Don't play the victim; asshole. It doesn't apply to silver tower dwellers who agree to the cycle of death.