(February 16, 2020 at 6:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 15, 2020 at 1:50 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Atlas has turned into an extremist.

More of a glide path than an actual turn.

Boru

1,000 mph air speed. 0 mph ground speed.

When the punishment fits the crime, that is justice. When the punishment exceeds the crime, that is cruelty. Eventually, no matter what you've done, you can be tortured enough to pay for it. A moment longer than that is unjust. Is Allah unjust?

That's giving torture-as-justice a free pass. Maybe torture is just torture. Someone else's injustice piled on top of another's.

If we wouldn't let it happen in a prison, and we rail against it's use by man...then we're compelled to object to it happening in gods funhouse, at gods direction or by his direct action. I'm fairly certain that Atlas has a position on torture.

(February 14, 2020 at 10:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I have reached a conclusion that people who think hell is "unjustified" and too "brutal" are very naive people with 0 experience in crimes, or they are criminals themselves who never want to taste punishment for their deeds.

The conclusion was reached after spending about 10 years of examining the aftermath of real crimes, especially seeing the images of dead victims before and after the crime.

Hell is so justified. There is no "but"; my consciousness is way better after knowing that the criminal would be thrown in a fire pit to suffer over and over and over. Some people say "how could finite crime result in infinite torture"; but who said hell is infinite? it's heavily long but not infinite, long as in these numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o...far_future



Again; what does life worth? isn't it priceless? it is so priceless, so precious, it is the prospering of mankind in a planet surrounded by emptiness, it is so precious and beyond limit.

I believe that so many do not know how it feels to be born healthy and pretty, but you get that life stripped away from you by the psychopath.

Hell is justified. Just think about all those who suffered in their deaths by the hands of psychopaths.

BULLSHIT!

If you want to claim someone like Hitler "would" deserve eternal punishment for his crimes, nobody would disagree. The problem is that such a fictional place like "hell" DOES NOT EXIST.

Just like you are not going to get 72 virgins in a fictional heaven for being "good".

The response to harm is natural. That is evolutionary, and part of fight or flight, but it isn't magical. But Hitler is an extreme example. I got fucked over by my former boss because he was greedy and didn't have the guts to fire me to my face, but he is hardly Hitler. I hate the asshole, but that would not warrant me wanting his eternal torture. 

"Hell" is a mythological concept concocted in an age of kings, and blind loyalty was the order of the day. It isn't that hell exists, but in that it reflects our human species response to harm.

Nobody wants bad things happen to them. But revenge is what "hell" is, and it is not a corrective concept in order to get someone to understand what they did wrong. It is simply superstitious triblalism.

I'm hard pressed to name one crime that justifies ETERNAL TORTURE. Maybe I need to be a bigger bastard? Say POPE sized?

Quote:If you want to claim someone like Hitler "would" deserve eternal punishment for his crimes, nobody would disagree.

I would.

Boru

(February 17, 2020 at 3:34 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I'm hard pressed to name one crime that justifies ETERNAL TORTURE. Maybe I need to be a bigger bastard? Say  POPE sized?

I don't know, apparently failing to believe in God is serious business! /sarcasm

(February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:If you want to claim someone like Hitler "would" deserve eternal punishment for his crimes, nobody would disagree.

I would.

Boru

Oh, surely one eon for each person that died would be fair.

(February 17, 2020 at 5:11 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I would.

Boru

Oh, surely one eon for each person that died would be fair.

That sounds about right.  But that's still a far shout from 'eternal.'

Boru

(February 17, 2020 at 5:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 17, 2020 at 5:11 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Oh, surely one eon for each person that died would be fair.

That sounds about right.  But that's still a far shout from 'eternal.'

Boru

That's why I suggested a fixed amount of time.