(June 2, 2020 at 10:00 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, okay.  Have fun yelling at the clouds, for as long as you remain, I guess?

As i said he's not here to talk about anything . He's just here to stir shit up

(June 2, 2020 at 9:42 am)brokenreflector Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 9:40 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I can only help you if you let me.  Always been your call.

I don't want any of your meth and your breath stank.

So, when it comes down to it all you can do is start a stream of insults for those who disagree with you?

I'm happy to water the cabbages until such a time as they're fit for mod harvest.

(June 2, 2020 at 10:35 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 9:42 am)brokenreflector Wrote: I don't want any of your meth and your breath stank.

So, when it comes down to it all you can do is start a stream of insults for those who disagree with you?

Yup it's all he's got now the simply reciting apologetics has failed .

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(June 2, 2020 at 10:37 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm happy to water the cabbages until such a time as they're fit for mod harvest.  

The sooner the better .

(June 2, 2020 at 1:33 am)brokenreflector Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 1:30 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: The readers are already enlightened because they are not mentally retarded like you are.

That's very impressive. Every single person here knows how to prove that the universe is not five-minutes old with an appearance of being 13.8 billion years old. Since you've already solved that problem, can you now work on proving that you're not a brain in a vat being stimulated in a such way that you've imagined the external world? Thanks, bruh.

I'm perfectly willing to concede that I don't know the universe is more than five minutes old with any more certainty than I know I'm not a brain in a vat. There's no good reason to think the universe is only five minutes old; but if you think lack of good reasons aren't a good enough reason not to believe something, even if you can't prove it, that's probably a significant part of the reason why this conversation is where it is.

The five minute old universe is thoroughly silly.  Suppose it was five minutes old..but for whatever reason and however it came to be this way...it appeared to all the world and had every detail in common with a much older universe.  

The setup is claiming that no relevant fact which informs the conclusion of old age is false, and then quixotically asking us to consider that the conclusion is..nevertheless..false.  Fine...but we're being asked to prove something when, if this could be the case, nothing could be proven.  

It asks us to consider the possibility that even when we're in the possession of sound and true premises, and we use those premises in a valid form, we still couldn't trust the conclusion.  A complete retreat into irrationalism cannot make demands of rational processes, because it does not believe in rational processes, or..indeed...so much as a rationally intelligible universe.

The unreliability of a rational process to reach true conclusions in an irrational universe is uninformative, and would be expected.  Rationally speaking, ofc, but since we've dispensed with all reason.......

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I'd even say that the notion is far more harmful to god beliefs than anything else, particularly when the believer thinks that all evidence points to some fairy.  

What, all of the evidence that could have been manufactured five minutes ago and whose conclusions still would not be true even if every detail were?

(June 2, 2020 at 10:48 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 10:35 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: So, when it comes down to it all you can do is start a stream of insults for those who disagree with you?

Yup it's all he's got now the simply reciting apologetics has failed .

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(June 2, 2020 at 10:37 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm happy to water the cabbages until such a time as they're fit for mod harvest.  

The sooner the better .

Nah. Keep him going. This kid is a hoot.

(June 2, 2020 at 1:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The five minute old universe is thoroughly silly.  Suppose it was five minutes old..but for whatever reason and however it came to be this way...it appeared to all the world and had every detail in common with a much older universe.  

The setup is claiming that no relevant fact which informs the conclusion of old age is false, and then quixotically asking us to consider that the conclusion is..nevertheless..false.  Fine...but we're being asked to prove something when, if this could be the case, nothing could be proven.  

It asks us to consider the possibility that even when we're in the possession of sound and true premises, and we use those premises in a valid form, we still couldn't trust the conclusion.  A complete retreat into irrationalism cannot make demands of rational processes, because it does not believe in rational processes, or..indeed...so much as a rationally intelligible universe.

The unreliability of a rational process to reach true conclusions in an irrational universe is uninformative, and would be expected.  Rationally speaking, ofc, but since we've dispensed with all reason.......

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I'd even say that the notion is far more harmful to god beliefs than anything else, particularly when the believer thinks that all evidence points to some fairy.  

What, all of the evidence that could have been manufactured five minutes ago and whose conclusions still would not be true even if every detail were?

It is as valuable and un-falsifiable as last thursdayism, solipsism, or brain in a vat, Matrix style simulation theory.

Me, I start with reality is real as a basic belief then proceed from there. I am agnostic about most things; it is the most intellectually honest way to hold ones mind.

I'm genuinely dissapointed with our new theist. At first he took umbrage with name calling but has resorted to the very act that he appeared to abhor.

Two tears in a bucket; mother fuck it.

For those not in the know - the above post - it is not the gun blowing up. 

The dumbass left his blackpowder sitting on the bench OPEN. When he fired the muzzleloader - a spark from the barrel drifted into the open pound of powder.


I have seen it happen in r/l......

(June 2, 2020 at 3:53 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: For those not in the know - the above post - it is not the gun blowing up. 

The dumbass left his blackpowder sitting on the bench OPEN. When he fired the muzzleloader - a spark from the barrel drifted into the open pound of powder.


I have seen it happen in r/l......

Obviously. But I have never seen it happen in RL

I guess that is why the Darwin awards exist.

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(June 2, 2020 at 10:02 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 10:00 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, okay.  Have fun yelling at the clouds, for as long as you remain, I guess?

As i said he's not here to talk about anything . He's just here to stir shit up

Well, you, I and others actually have written substantive replies to his claims, and those are the replies he carefully ignores.

Instead, he waits for the inevitable "No response? Then fuck off" and preferentially responds to those instead. That is not accidental behaviour.

In no small part, this has happened because we didn't follow the script he had, and now he lashes out because he has no other tactic. It just isn't in his script. 

He was taught in Sunday school, or religious ed, or seminary that if he says this, the evil atheists will reply with that.

The sad part of it is that he will not go back to his tutors and tell them that they were wrong. He will go back and ask them why he failed.

That is what religion does to people. Intentionally.