My theory is that their culture suppresses women. The muslim men have taken women out of their society, out of their way of life (except for bearing children). Muslim women are totally subservient to muslim men.

Quote:My theory is that their culture suppresses women. The muslim men have taken women out of their society, out of their way of life (except for bearing children). Muslim women are totally subservient to muslim men.

Though Islam is highly regressive when it comes to women. Muslim cultures for one reason or another have adopted prove female attitudes

If Islam ruled the world then its mistreatment of women alone would cause a lot of distress to many.

In such a hypothetical world it would be what God wanted. But I don't think that such a world will happen. God seems to want a mixture of different religions along with absence thereof. God doesn't seem to want unity of any sort. Be it via Islam or world government or anything like that.

(July 14, 2020 at 6:00 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:My theory is that their culture suppresses women. The muslim men have taken women out of their society, out of their way of life (except for bearing children). Muslim women are totally subservient to muslim men.

Though Islam is highly regressive when it comes to women. Muslim cultures for one reason or another have adopted prove female attitudes

Did you ever notice when the news shows a muslim city protesting, it's always men in the streets, waving inflammatory banners, burning effigies. Where are all the women? Do you know what happens when you group a large number of men together? It's the testosterone factor. It breeds aggression. 

Women have a calming factor on men. Take them out of the equation and all you have are a bunch of testosterone-laden animals looking to prove their physical superiority over others.

(July 14, 2020 at 5:40 pm)masoni Wrote: My theory

Ah good, a theory. Something that can be tested. Something that empirical evidence may support, or show to be wrong.

Quote:Muslim women are totally subservient to muslim men.

How would you test this theory?

One way would be to ask the Muslim women in your area. "Hello, are you totally subservient to your men?" (Depending on where you live, I suspect that a lot of them would laugh at you.)

Have you conducted any research on the viability of your theory? Is your evidence entirely from media depictions? What does Ilhan Omar, or her very outspoken daughter tell you in regard to your theory? 

You make the statement in a very general way. Is it true of all Muslims everywhere all the time? Is it an aspect of Islam which is intrinsic to the religion, or is it something that can change within Islam, depending on the time and place? 

These are all things that could be investigated, if you take the idea of a theory seriously.

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(July 14, 2020 at 6:45 pm)masoni Wrote: Women have a calming factor on men. Take them out of the equation and all you have are a bunch of testosterone-laden animals looking to prove their physical superiority over others.

Ooh, sexist cliches.

Quote:Did you ever notice when the news shows a muslim city protesting, it's always men in the streets, waving inflammatory banners, burning effigies. Where are all the women? Do you know what happens when you group a large number of men together? It's the testosterone factor. It breeds aggression. 

Women have a calming factor on men. Take them out of the equation and all you have are a bunch of testosterone-laden animals looking to prove their physical superiority over others.

Well that's a load of regressive crap. 

(July 14, 2020 at 6:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(July 14, 2020 at 5:40 pm)masoni Wrote: My theory

Ah good, a theory. Something that can be tested. Something that empirical evidence may support, or show to be wrong.

Quote:Muslim women are totally subservient to muslim men.

How would you test this theory?

One way would be to ask the Muslim women in your area. "Hello, are you totally subservient to your men?" (Depending on where you live, I suspect that a lot of them would laugh at you.)

Have you conducted any research on the viability of your theory? Is your evidence entirely from media depictions? What does Ilhan Omar, or her very outspoken daughter tell you in regard to your theory? 

You make the statement in a very general way. Is it true of all Muslims everywhere all the time? Is it an aspect of Islam which is intrinsic to the religion, or is it something that can change within Islam, depending on the time and place? 

These are all things that could be investigated, if you take the idea of a theory seriously.

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(July 14, 2020 at 6:45 pm)masoni Wrote: Women have a calming factor on men. Take them out of the equation and all you have are a bunch of testosterone-laden animals looking to prove their physical superiority over others.

Ooh, sexist cliches.

I'm an ex-muslim 
so shut up idiot

Quote:I'm an ex-muslim 

so shut up idiot

Irrelevant

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Quote:Ah good, a theory. Something that can be tested. Something that empirical evidence may support, or show to be wrong.

Lol 

Quote:How would you test this theory?

One way would be to ask the Muslim women in your area. "Hello, are you totally subservient to your men?" (Depending on where you live, I suspect that a lot of them would laugh at you.)

You realize that would not be a reliable way of testing 

Quote:Have you conducted any research on the viability of your theory? Is your evidence entirely from media depictions? What does Ilhan Omar, or her very outspoken daughter tell you in regard to your theory? 

That's merely proof that western non imposition allows women to speak in contrast to Islamic teachings  

Quote:You make the statement in a very general way. Is it true of all Muslims everywhere all the time? Is it an aspect of Islam which is intrinsic to the religion, or is it something that can change within Islam, depending on the time and place? 

It applies universally to Islam it can alter with culture but only in contrast to Islam 

Quote:These are all things that could be investigated, if you take the idea of a theory seriously.

So far your methods are lacking

(July 14, 2020 at 7:25 pm)masoni Wrote: I'm an ex-muslim 

If you're an EX-Muslim, then shouldn't you be able to get beyond the sexist cliches and think in a more progressive way?

Or perhaps your cliched thinking doesn't depend on your being a Muslim -- perhaps it wasn't Islam that made your thinking sexist.