You can't earn endless bliss in heaven. And you can't earn endless torture in hell. It sounds retarded no matter how you look at it.

(August 13, 2020 at 9:59 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: Haven't posted on here a while so here it goes.

To be honest, the idea of existing forever and ever in either a heaven or a hell would be terrifying to me, because the thought of going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on X∞ would I think be the worst thing ever, you would have no end, no nothing, even scarier thing to think if in hell. You would be just begging to end it just go back to sleep. I mean, considering this is the only existence I know, I believe that everything has a beginning and end. With eternal darkness/sleep, you wouldn't have feelings of any-sort, because you would be dead, no fear, no sadness, no nothing, you would be at peace.

I don't fear being dead at all, I wont after all know I'm dead.

"An afterlife would be terrifying for me"

What about a prelife? How terrifying would it be to view the world go by for literally billions of years and not be able to participate as you are not an official living member.
You are technically a pre ghost!

(August 17, 2020 at 2:00 am)ignoramus Wrote: "An afterlife would be terrifying for me"

What about a prelife? How terrifying would it be to view the world go by for literally billions of years and not be able to participate as you are not an official living member.
You are technically a pre ghost!

That wouldn't even make sense

If we exist after we die, why don't we exist before we were born

I agree, the whole concept doesn't make sense either way.

(August 13, 2020 at 9:59 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: Haven't posted on here a while so here it goes.

To be honest, the idea of existing forever and ever in either a heaven or a hell would be terrifying to me, because the thought of going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on X∞ would I think be the worst thing ever, you would have no end, no nothing, even scarier thing to think if in hell. You would be just begging to end it just go back to sleep. I mean, considering this is the only existence I know, I believe that everything has a beginning and end. With eternal darkness/sleep, you wouldn't have feelings of any-sort, because you would be dead, no fear, no sadness, no nothing, you would be at peace.

What makes you think that there is such thing as "Fear" In heaven? And who told you that heaven Is a physical reality?
The laws of time and space do not apply in the afterlife, So there Is no such thing as forever.
Be well.

(September 19, 2020 at 10:54 pm)Uri Azulay Wrote:

(August 13, 2020 at 9:59 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: Haven't posted on here a while so here it goes.

To be honest, the idea of existing forever and ever in either a heaven or a hell would be terrifying to me, because the thought of going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on X∞ would I think be the worst thing ever, you would have no end, no nothing, even scarier thing to think if in hell. You would be just begging to end it just go back to sleep. I mean, considering this is the only existence I know, I believe that everything has a beginning and end. With eternal darkness/sleep, you wouldn't have feelings of any-sort, because you would be dead, no fear, no sadness, no nothing, you would be at peace.

What makes you think that there is such thing as "Fear" In heaven? And who told you that heaven Is a physical reality?
The laws of time and space do not apply in the afterlife, So there Is no such thing as forever.
Be well.

I find such modulations to be ... dishonest at best, and making an existence on Earth from birth to death pointless in establishing any form of prelude (Christians call it Judgement or something, but whatever) for determining validity for your inevitable afterlife's destination.

Why?

It's simple, really. Let's say that you die an old man after a lengthy Earthly life, and, somehow, arrive at your allotted destination in this supposed afterlife in accordance to Judgement, or whatever, this god has seen fit to whatever criteria its holy texts sets.

Now, who are you? While you're going over that, a lot points of conjecture are made by theists about the afterlife. The most common and prevalent conjecture is that their own minds, after death would be the same as before the instant of death. But if faith is what it is and heaven/hell/limbo/Detroit is what it is, any modulation of your mind, even "small" ones, like the absence of the fear emotion in heaven would be an alteration of your mind. In essence, 'you' wouldn't be you after these modulations. Afterlife 'you' would just be either a cheap knock-off copy or otherwise so radically altered (some Christians think they get an upgrade, Kent Hovind is one of them with his masturbatory speculation about increasing ability to sense, I think he still uses the old tired category errors like "see music" and "taste vision", creative, sure, but ultimately a synesthesia distraction) that 'your' mind wouldn't be, in essence, the same as before you died and arrived at 'your' afterlife.

This is inescapable no matter how you spin it, any conjecture about the nature of the afterlife's properties like time, spatial dimensions and Eternity are completely irrelevant, because the standards of, e.g. Christian eschatology, do not apply to this life because your mind doesn't endure, in principle. It is pointless exactly because you wouldn't even be aware of any change in your mind's construction. No more different than judging water by the shape of the container it is in, in this life. Water is distinct from the shape of the container it is in.

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Theists assume that their mind is made of the special sauce, when really it's just as mundane and comprised of ordinary carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and trace amounts of other atoms that you find anywhere else in non-mind matter. There is nothing special about the brains matter, the atoms, molecules, structures, neurons & synapses, the whole configuration of matter that can't be accounted for outside of it - there is nothing exotic about brains/minds in nature.

As a human being, living forever always scared the wits out of me. It seems to me that just ceasing to exist would be preferable to that. At least we could know that when we die the suffering stops there. The thing is, I don't know what the afterlife will be like. Will time mean anything at all to us? I just think I've always existed and always will.

(December 18, 2020 at 9:18 pm)Lek Wrote: As a human being, living forever always scared the wits out of me. It seems to me that just ceasing to exist would be preferable to that. At least we could know that when we die the suffering stops there. The thing is, I don't know what the afterlife will be like. Will time mean anything at all to us?  I just think I've always existed and always will.

Do you think there will be necroposting in the afterlife?

Boru

Don't really care. How about you?

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I have to say I've been steaming. I haven't opened this forum for months. I opened it today, found something interesting and made a serious comment. A minute later I get that silly response.

A long time ago this used to be a pretty insightful forum. No wonder everybody's gone.