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Beating your meat. A hacking story.
#21
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 3, 2021 at 6:44 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(June 3, 2021 at 6:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm not. I said that if you expect corporate behaviour to change, the best way to do that is for consumer behaviour to change. It's not either/or, it's both.


I just said that, both in this post and in an earlier one.


I said that, as well. If you're going to argue with me, it might be in your best interests to take up a position contrary to mine.


This is called 'advertising'. It's what works, and no - they DON'T know any better.


Probably, which is why the sensible course is to give them a reason to give a fuck about something in addition to profits.


Another thing I already said. I'm flattered that you think highly enough of me to quote me to myself, but that really doesn't move the thread along.

[Snipped the confusing and off-topic bit about airfare prices.]

Boru

I think the part you snipped was letting us know how much his ticket to Australia cost.  Of course then there's the ticket he bought for his best friend in Oklahoma, John, or as we know him HillbillyAtheist.

Not sure how he knows someone up front paid 30K...but whatever.

It's important to get certain information out even if you have to camouflage it a bit.

I really hate text, it doesn't get across voice inflection.

I really had no problem paying for my best friend. As the saying goes "you can't take it with you." Not sure what the 30k response was about. I do know that I find first class tickets as much as a rip off as diamonds and caviar. I think that is what I was addressing. 

John's ticket I paid for was about the same as mine. I wasn't complaining about paying for him. Both of our tickets were around 2k for coach. What I don't understand, is why someone would pay 30k for first class, when all you are really paying for is being able to get on and off the plane first and for "better food", which is still heated in a microwave just the same as coach. And the fact that everyone on the jet lands at the same time, regardless of what they pay. 

It is not a matter of my knowing what an individual pays for first class, anyone can look online the price for a first class ticket. The earlier ahead of time you buy any class ticket, the cheaper it is. But there still is a huge price difference in price in class regardless. Take any airline, anyone of them, price them a year out for first class, or 6 months for first class, or even a month out, there is still a gigantic gap between first class and coach prices. I get some difference, there really are first class tickets on passenger jets that people pay that cost the same as a luxury car, and for what? At least the car is going to last 10-20 years. Your international flight will last anywhere from 12-24 hours. That makes no sense to me other than rich people like showing off.

If you can find online a first class ticket for an overseas flight for 2 grand, let me know. Good luck.

Here is a link to some of the most expensive first passenger tickets ever recorded.

And believe me, I was shocked in both my trips, to find that some of the first class prices exceeded 20k. 

https://www.tripstodiscover.com/the-10-m...the-world/

And again, I get paying a little more to get off the plane faster, or a little more for different food. But in the end, in an emergency, if one were to happen, the people at the front of the plane are just as at the mercy of the pilots and weather conditions and jet design and maintenance as those who sit in coach and the back of the jet. So while a little price difference is about competition, the price gap is still absurd.
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#22
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 12:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 3, 2021 at 6:44 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I think the part you snipped was letting us know how much his ticket to Australia cost.  Of course then there's the ticket he bought for his best friend in Oklahoma, John, or as we know him HillbillyAtheist.

Not sure how he knows someone up front paid 30K...but whatever.

It's important to get certain information out even if you have to camouflage it a bit.

I really hate text, it doesn't get across voice inflection.

I really had no problem paying for my best friend. As the saying goes "you can't take it with you." Not sure what the 30k response was about. I do know that I find first class tickets as much as a rip off as diamonds and caviar. I think that is what I was addressing. 

John's ticket I paid for was about the same as mine. I wasn't complaining about paying for him. Both of our tickets were around 2k for coach. What I don't understand, is why someone would pay 30k for first class, when all you are really paying for is being able to get on and off the plane first and for "better food", which is still heated in a microwave just the same as coach. And the fact that everyone on the jet lands at the same time, regardless of what they pay. 

It is not a matter of my knowing what an individual pays for first class, anyone can look online the price for a first class ticket. The earlier ahead of time you buy any class ticket, the cheaper it is. But there still is a huge price difference in price in class regardless. Take any airline, anyone of them, price them a year out for first class, or 6 months for first class, or even a month out, there is still a gigantic gap between first class and coach prices. I get some difference, there really are first class tickets on passenger jets that people pay that cost the same as a luxury car, and for what? At least the car is going to last 10-20 years. Your international flight will last anywhere from 12-24 hours. That makes no sense to me other than rich people like showing off.

If you can find online a first class ticket for an overseas flight for 2 grand, let me know. Good luck.

Here is a link to some of the most expensive first passenger tickets ever recorded.

And believe me, I was shocked in both my trips, to find that some of the first class prices exceeded 20k. 

https://www.tripstodiscover.com/the-10-m...the-world/

And again, I get paying a little more to get off the plane faster, or a little more for different food. But in the end, in an emergency, if one were to happen, the people at the front of the plane are just as at the mercy of the pilots and weather conditions and jet design and maintenance as those who sit in coach and the back of the jet. So while a little price difference is about competition, the price gap is still absurd.

I still don’t understand why it bothers you how other people spend their money.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#23
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 1:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 5, 2021 at 12:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I really hate text, it doesn't get across voice inflection.

I really had no problem paying for my best friend. As the saying goes "you can't take it with you." Not sure what the 30k response was about. I do know that I find first class tickets as much as a rip off as diamonds and caviar. I think that is what I was addressing. 

John's ticket I paid for was about the same as mine. I wasn't complaining about paying for him. Both of our tickets were around 2k for coach. What I don't understand, is why someone would pay 30k for first class, when all you are really paying for is being able to get on and off the plane first and for "better food", which is still heated in a microwave just the same as coach. And the fact that everyone on the jet lands at the same time, regardless of what they pay. 

It is not a matter of my knowing what an individual pays for first class, anyone can look online the price for a first class ticket. The earlier ahead of time you buy any class ticket, the cheaper it is. But there still is a huge price difference in price in class regardless. Take any airline, anyone of them, price them a year out for first class, or 6 months for first class, or even a month out, there is still a gigantic gap between first class and coach prices. I get some difference, there really are first class tickets on passenger jets that people pay that cost the same as a luxury car, and for what? At least the car is going to last 10-20 years. Your international flight will last anywhere from 12-24 hours. That makes no sense to me other than rich people like showing off.

If you can find online a first class ticket for an overseas flight for 2 grand, let me know. Good luck.

Here is a link to some of the most expensive first passenger tickets ever recorded.

And believe me, I was shocked in both my trips, to find that some of the first class prices exceeded 20k. 

https://www.tripstodiscover.com/the-10-m...the-world/

And again, I get paying a little more to get off the plane faster, or a little more for different food. But in the end, in an emergency, if one were to happen, the people at the front of the plane are just as at the mercy of the pilots and weather conditions and jet design and maintenance as those who sit in coach and the back of the jet. So while a little price difference is about competition, the price gap is still absurd.

I still don’t understand why it bothers you how other people spend their money.

Boru

It isn't a matter of how others spend their money. PLEASE STOP THAT.

It is a matter of lack of introspection at the top. Jeff Bezos wants the money he has, but the truth is for that class, he doesn't need that much. It isn't a matter of saying others cant have more. People at that class collectively have the same wealth as the rest of the world's middle and bottom earners. 

If Jeff only made 1 billion a year, he'd still be rich. If he only made 50 million a year, he'd still be rich. That is the part that bothers me. Not that he has more money than me. I've struggled myself, I most certainly know the difference of living paycheck to paycheck, vs now, in living off buffer of what my mother left me. I cant even say what she left me will get me to social security and Medicare. But I do know, I cant see how someone who makes as much as he does, has the nerve to bitch about his personal taxes or his corporate taxes going up.

I don't get the gap on a passenger jet about getting off early or food, when, no matter where you sit, I'd think the most important aspect of the flight is NOT DYING. 

Outside flying, even with restaurant food, fast food, vs sit down food. Yea, I am willing to pay a couple cents/dollars more, for a sit down burger vs a McDonald's burger, anyone would. But I don't think the price difference should be comically absurd. 

I don't care what individuals spend their money on. I do care about greed, and pricing everyone out of participating in the economy.
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#24
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 12:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 3, 2021 at 6:44 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I think the part you snipped was letting us know how much his ticket to Australia cost.  Of course then there's the ticket he bought for his best friend in Oklahoma, John, or as we know him HillbillyAtheist.

Not sure how he knows someone up front paid 30K...but whatever.

It's important to get certain information out even if you have to camouflage it a bit.

I really hate text, it doesn't get across voice inflection.

I really had no problem paying for my best friend. As the saying goes "you can't take it with you." Not sure what the 30k response was about. I do know that I find first class tickets as much as a rip off as diamonds and caviar. I think that is what I was addressing. 

John's ticket I paid for was about the same as mine. I wasn't complaining about paying for him. Both of our tickets were around 2k for coach. What I don't understand, is why someone would pay 30k for first class, when all you are really paying for is being able to get on and off the plane first and for "better food", which is still heated in a microwave just the same as coach. And the fact that everyone on the jet lands at the same time, regardless of what they pay. 

It is not a matter of my knowing what an individual pays for first class, anyone can look online the price for a first class ticket. The earlier ahead of time you buy any class ticket, the cheaper it is. But there still is a huge price difference in price in class regardless. Take any airline, anyone of them, price them a year out for first class, or 6 months for first class, or even a month out, there is still a gigantic gap between first class and coach prices. I get some difference, there really are first class tickets on passenger jets that people pay that cost the same as a luxury car, and for what? At least the car is going to last 10-20 years. Your international flight will last anywhere from 12-24 hours. That makes no sense to me other than rich people like showing off.

If you can find online a first class ticket for an overseas flight for 2 grand, let me know. Good luck.

Here is a link to some of the most expensive first passenger tickets ever recorded.

And believe me, I was shocked in both my trips, to find that some of the first class prices exceeded 20k. 

https://www.tripstodiscover.com/the-10-m...the-world/

And again, I get paying a little more to get off the plane faster, or a little more for different food. But in the end, in an emergency, if one were to happen, the people at the front of the plane are just as at the mercy of the pilots and weather conditions and jet design and maintenance as those who sit in coach and the back of the jet. So while a little price difference is about competition, the price gap is still absurd.
Bold mine - scroll up to post #14, made by you, and you will see where the 30K reference is from.  You started it, you twit.
  
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
                                      
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#25
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 2:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 5, 2021 at 1:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I still don’t understand why it bothers you how other people spend their money.

Boru

It isn't a matter of how others spend their money. PLEASE STOP THAT.

It is a matter of lack of introspection at the top. Jeff Bezos wants the money he has, but the truth is for that class, he doesn't need that much. It isn't a matter of saying others cant have more. People at that class collectively have the same wealth as the rest of the world's middle and bottom earners. 

If Jeff only made 1 billion a year, he'd still be rich. If he only made 50 million a year, he'd still be rich. That is the part that bothers me. Not that he has more money than me. I've struggled myself, I most certainly know the difference of living paycheck to paycheck, vs now, in living off buffer of what my mother left me. I cant even say what she left me will get me to social security and Medicare. But I do know, I cant see how someone who makes as much as he does, has the nerve to bitch about his personal taxes or his corporate taxes going up.

I don't get the gap on a passenger jet about getting off early or food, when, no matter where you sit, I'd think the most important aspect of the flight is NOT DYING. 

Outside flying, even with restaurant food, fast food, vs sit down food. Yea, I am willing to pay a couple cents/dollars more, for a sit down burger vs a McDonald's burger, anyone would. But I don't think the price difference should be comically absurd. 

I don't care what individuals spend their money on. I do care about greed, and pricing everyone out of participating in the economy.

Well, it IS you being bothered by how other people spend their money, because you said, 

Quote: Your international flight will last anywhere from 12-24 hours. That makes no sense to me other than rich people like showing off.

And your comment about ‘pricing everyone out of participating in the economy’ is nonsensical. EVERYONE participates in the economy. That’s what makes it an economy.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#26
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 2:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 5, 2021 at 2:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It isn't a matter of how others spend their money. PLEASE STOP THAT.

It is a matter of lack of introspection at the top. Jeff Bezos wants the money he has, but the truth is for that class, he doesn't need that much. It isn't a matter of saying others cant have more. People at that class collectively have the same wealth as the rest of the world's middle and bottom earners. 

If Jeff only made 1 billion a year, he'd still be rich. If he only made 50 million a year, he'd still be rich. That is the part that bothers me. Not that he has more money than me. I've struggled myself, I most certainly know the difference of living paycheck to paycheck, vs now, in living off buffer of what my mother left me. I cant even say what she left me will get me to social security and Medicare. But I do know, I cant see how someone who makes as much as he does, has the nerve to bitch about his personal taxes or his corporate taxes going up.

I don't get the gap on a passenger jet about getting off early or food, when, no matter where you sit, I'd think the most important aspect of the flight is NOT DYING. 

Outside flying, even with restaurant food, fast food, vs sit down food. Yea, I am willing to pay a couple cents/dollars more, for a sit down burger vs a McDonald's burger, anyone would. But I don't think the price difference should be comically absurd. 

I don't care what individuals spend their money on. I do care about greed, and pricing everyone out of participating in the economy.

Well, it IS you being bothered by how other people spend their money, because you said, 

Quote: Your international flight will last anywhere from 12-24 hours. That makes no sense to me other than rich people like showing off.

And your comment about ‘pricing everyone out of participating in the economy’ is nonsensical. EVERYONE participates in the economy. That’s what makes it an economy.

Boru

I agree there most certainly IS more than one class involved in the economy. But between you and me, and Jeff Bezos or the Koch Brothers or Walmart family, who do you think has more influence over government?

If say, a city like New York, still needs people like dishwashers, or taxi cab drivers, or hotel maids, how much sense economically does it make to price those low wage workers to the point that they have to travel further to get to Manhattan or pack a family into a 1 bedroom apartment just to be closer to the job?

It is insane that pay gap favors the top. At that point to me, it is nothing but greed. There has to be balance.
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#27
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 2:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 5, 2021 at 2:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, it IS you being bothered by how other people spend their money, because you said, 


And your comment about ‘pricing everyone out of participating in the economy’ is nonsensical. EVERYONE participates in the economy. That’s what makes it an economy.

Boru

I agree there most certainly IS more than one class involved in the economy. But between you and me, and Jeff Bezos or the Koch Brothers or Walmart family, who do you think has more influence over government?

If say, a city like New York, still needs people like dishwashers, or taxi cab drivers, or hotel maids, how much sense economically does it make to price those low wage workers to the point that they have to travel further to get to Manhattan or pack a family into a 1 bedroom apartment just to be closer to the job?

It is insane that pay gap favors the top. At that point to me, it is nothing but greed. There has to be balance.

Well, if the pay gap favoured the bottom, then they would be the ones on the top.

Stop avoiding my question: Why do you care how other people spend their money?

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#28
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 2:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 5, 2021 at 2:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I agree there most certainly IS more than one class involved in the economy. But between you and me, and Jeff Bezos or the Koch Brothers or Walmart family, who do you think has more influence over government?

If say, a city like New York, still needs people like dishwashers, or taxi cab drivers, or hotel maids, how much sense economically does it make to price those low wage workers to the point that they have to travel further to get to Manhattan or pack a family into a 1 bedroom apartment just to be closer to the job?

It is insane that pay gap favors the top. At that point to me, it is nothing but greed. There has to be balance.

Well, if the pay gap favoured the bottom, then they would be the ones on the top.

Stop avoiding my question: Why do you care how other people spend their money?

Boru

Stop avoiding my response. 

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT if you want to spend your money on navel or pocket lint. I REALLY DONT.  I do care however, when the people at the top fuck the middle and working class over by basically pricing everyone else out of stability.

Jeff Bezos is worth is an estimated $185 billion. 

Please tell me how someone, a dishwasher or cab driver, or hotel maid is a threat to him by saying, "HELLO".

What does Jeff really fucking have to bitch about, I mean even if we literally taxed him 50% of his pay? I will laugh in your face if you try to argue Jeff can't live off of 90 billion instead of 180 billion. I'll laugh in your face if you think he cant live off of even 50 million. It isn't a matter of robbing anyone. It is a matter of the TOP to stop being dicks.
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#29
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
(June 5, 2021 at 3:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 5, 2021 at 2:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, if the pay gap favoured the bottom, then they would be the ones on the top.

Stop avoiding my question: Why do you care how other people spend their money?

Boru

Stop avoiding my response. 

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT if you want to spend your money on navel or pocket lint. I REALLY DONT.  I do care however, when the people at the top fuck the middle and working class over by basically pricing everyone else out of stability.

Jeff Bezos is worth is an estimated $185 billion. 

Please tell me how someone a dishwasher or cab driver, or hotel made is a threat to him by saying, "HELLO".

I’m not avoiding your response - I’m ignoring your responses because they’re not germane to my question.

Conspicuous consumption doesn’t fuck the middle and lower classes out of anything, nor does it price them out of stability or mobility.

Suppose I spend $20K on airfare to visit, say, London. While there I stay in a thousand dollar-a-night hotel suite, and dine on pangolin tartare at $500 an ounce. How does that negatively affect a dishwasher, cabbie, or hotel maid?

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#30
RE: Beating your meat. A hacking story.
It's apparent that Jeff Bezos is today's bug up Brian's ass.

I will happily admit to helping line his (Bezos) pockets nearly every day. What he does makes my life easier. COVID made his business even more important to my household and me.
  
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
                                      
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