(August 13, 2021 at 4:28 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: No, you don't. The compelling threats are mutually exclusive. Once you find the "right threat", you don't need to check the rest -all false automatically.

(August 13, 2021 at 4:28 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(August 13, 2021 at 4:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You do have to check them, all of them.  The compelling threat hangs over your head in each case, if it’s a compelling threat in any one.

No, you don't. The compelling threats are mutually exclusive. Once you find the "right threat", you don't need to check the rest -all false automatically.

(August 12, 2021 at 11:17 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: @Mercyvessel

Of course, it’s easy for us with our 21st Century, materialistic minds to dismiss the Bible as a load of rubbish. But in the actual analysis, that is exactly what the Bible turns out to be---a load of rubbish! It is a book of nonsensical, fantastic stories about talking animals, talking bushes, mythical creatures, people rising from the dead, magic and pseudo-history. It is the creation of ignorant, fallible men, reflecting the prejudices, superstitions, bad theology and fears of the times in which it was written. It promotes slavery, ethnic cleansing, race prejudice, wars of conquest, the subjugation of women, child abuse and genital mutilation. It promotes the worship and celebration of a god who is little more than an egotistical, homicidal, fear-mongering tyrant. It is a book which any reasonable, intellectually honest, and intelligent person should heartily dismiss as bad fiction.

(August 14, 2021 at 1:11 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:

(August 12, 2021 at 11:17 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: @Mercyvessel

Of course, it’s easy for us with our 21st Century, materialistic minds to dismiss the Bible as a load of rubbish. But in the actual analysis, that is exactly what the Bible turns out to be---a load of rubbish! It is a book of nonsensical, fantastic stories about talking animals, talking bushes, mythical creatures, people rising from the dead, magic and pseudo-history. It is the creation of ignorant, fallible men, reflecting the prejudices, superstitions, bad theology and fears of the times in which it was written. It promotes slavery, ethnic cleansing, race prejudice, wars of conquest, the subjugation of women, child abuse and genital mutilation. It promotes the worship and celebration of a god who is little more than an egotistical, homicidal, fear-mongering tyrant. It is a book which any reasonable, intellectually honest, and intelligent person should heartily dismiss as bad fiction.

Do you think that I make contributions here based on Holy Scripture because I simply like to relay things read, or do you think I am necessarily sharing as a real witness of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST? 

(August 14, 2021 at 1:11 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:

(August 12, 2021 at 11:17 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: @Mercyvessel

Of course, it’s easy for us with our 21st Century, materialistic minds to dismiss the Bible as a load of rubbish. But in the actual analysis, that is exactly what the Bible turns out to be---a load of rubbish! It is a book of nonsensical, fantastic stories about talking animals, talking bushes, mythical creatures, people rising from the dead, magic and pseudo-history. It is the creation of ignorant, fallible men, reflecting the prejudices, superstitions, bad theology and fears of the times in which it was written. It promotes slavery, ethnic cleansing, race prejudice, wars of conquest, the subjugation of women, child abuse and genital mutilation. It promotes the worship and celebration of a god who is little more than an egotistical, homicidal, fear-mongering tyrant. It is a book which any reasonable, intellectually honest, and intelligent person should heartily dismiss as bad fiction.

Do you think that I make contributions here based on Holy Scripture because I simply like to relay things read, or do you think I am necessarily sharing as a real witness of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST? 

"Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness." - John 3:11 

"Pride comes before a fall..." - so it is expedient for one to humble oneself under the mighty hand of GOD - that He may mercifully teach and guide. 


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"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

(August 12, 2021 at 1:36 pm)Astreja Wrote: I'm prepared to take that risk, as I consider the possibility itself to be infinitesimal.

(August 13, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Is this again your personal opinion, or do you have some objective way to assign probabilities to religious beliefs ???

(August 12, 2021 at 1:36 pm)Astreja Wrote: The problem with that:  Infinite punishment for acts committed in a finite lifetime is infinitely evil, and a god that would behave in such a manner is simply not to be trusted.

(August 13, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Completely false. The length of a commited act is disproportionate to the length of punishment. Murdering someone can take less than a few seconds, the punishment can be a life sentence, etc.

(August 12, 2021 at 1:36 pm)Astreja Wrote: I've already deduced that religion is not for me, and I went through my ontological phase many decades ago.  Waste of my time to reopen issues that are already resolved to my satisfaction.

(August 13, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Why did you rule out all the religious claims that you didn't bother to check? Unless you have some very good reason for dismissing each, your position is dishonest.

(August 14, 2021 at 1:11 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Pride comes before a fall..." - so it is expedient for one to humble oneself under the mighty hand of GOD - that He may mercifully teach and guide.

(August 14, 2021 at 1:11 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Pride comes before a fall..." - so it is expedient for one to humble oneself under the mighty hand of GOD - that He may mercifully teach and guide.