This is the transient phase of the step response.  Unpredictable in this plant, but predictably chaotic and reactionary.  Let's see what, if any, steady state plays out.

(August 17, 2021 at 12:58 pm)Ranjr Wrote: This is the transient phase of the step response.  Unpredictable in this plant, but predictably chaotic and reactionary.  Let's see what, if any, steady state plays out.

In my 54 years of witnessing interventions and conflict, the only conclusion I can come to, considering modern weapons and technology are that humans regardless are tribal. 

The mantra sold by both political parties in America has been "endless wars" and "global stability". It cannot be a choice between "world police" or "isolationism". Humans don't work like that, regardless of party, friend or foe. 

The ultimate doomsday is still global, in that both east and west, friend and foe, open state vs closed state, everyone has nukes. At what point do humans realize if our species is to survive, it cannot be an "us vs them" mentality?

(August 17, 2021 at 1:08 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 17, 2021 at 12:58 pm)Ranjr Wrote: This is the transient phase of the step response.  Unpredictable in this plant, but predictably chaotic and reactionary.  Let's see what, if any, steady state plays out.

In my 54 years of witnessing interventions and conflict, the only conclusion I can come to, considering modern weapons and technology are that humans regardless are tribal. 

The mantra sold by both political parties in America has been "endless wars" and "global stability". It cannot be a choice between "world police" or "isolationism". Humans don't work like that, regardless of party, friend or foe. 

The ultimate doomsday is still global, in that both east and west, friend and foe, open state vs closed state, everyone has nukes. At what point do humans realize if our species is to survive, it cannot be an "us vs them" mentality?

Just for shits and giggles, have you ever considered tailoring your response to what the person you quoted just said?

Boru

(August 17, 2021 at 8:45 am)Ranjr Wrote:

(August 17, 2021 at 6:30 am)Brian37 Wrote: Somebody actually took the time to post their names. Did I mention I was an operative at GITMO? Ok, I wasn't, but aren't you glad you don't have the nuclear codes? 

(Childish schoolyard teasing) "YOU KNEW THEIR NAMES, YOU KNEW THEIR NAMES! NEENER NEENER NEENER."

Of course I know their names.  Bjorn and Bennie wrote lyrically challenged but well orchestrated pop diddies, highly derivative with the occasional classical interlude.  Agnetha had a fantastic voice and matching ass.  I wish she could have worked with American writers and producers.  The German version of Ring Ring sounds more natural, which makes me wish they released more songs in German.

ABBA seriously gets a bad rep outside of the fans. But if we are going to talk about music lets equate that to food tastes too. If you are going to ask me if I want caviar, or offer me grilled cheese sandwich, I will take the grilled cheese sandwich every day of the week and a billion times on Sunday.

ABBA never claimed to be deep, although a few of their songs were. All they wanted to do was be fun, and from a fan's perspective they did just that.

I hate the fight between popular music and underground or "deep" music. In all seriousness, no matter what music one may be into, the famous artists you like, are most likely to have a wide range of word wide music influences. 

ABBA simply focused on pop. But in reality, in training, and in voice, they had their eye on the world. 

And as far as Agnetha and Anni, Back in the late 70s, ABBA put out a "BEST OF" Album called "The Magic Of ABBA". It was advertised on TV. I bought it. And not just for the music, that album inside photo and back cover was to me, well, basically hoping my mom wouldn't knock on my bedroom door and interrupt me. TMI? You just said that Agnetha had a great ass. Funny, but Anni, between the two was my favorite.

(August 17, 2021 at 1:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 17, 2021 at 8:45 am)Ranjr Wrote: Of course I know their names.  Bjorn and Bennie wrote lyrically challenged but well orchestrated pop diddies, highly derivative with the occasional classical interlude.  Agnetha had a fantastic voice and matching ass.  I wish she could have worked with American writers and producers.  The German version of Ring Ring sounds more natural, which makes me wish they released more songs in German.

ABBA seriously gets a bad rep outside of the fans. But if we are going to talk about music lets equate that to food tastes too. If you are going to ask me if I want caviar, or offer me grilled cheese sandwich, I will take the grilled cheese sandwich every day of the week and a billion times on Sunday.

ABBA never claimed to be deep, although a few of their songs were. All they wanted to do was be fun, and from a fan's perspective they did just that.

I hate the fight between popular music and underground or "deep" music. In all seriousness, no matter what music one may be into, the famous artists you like, are most likely to have a wide range of word wide music influences. 

ABBA simply focused on pop. But in reality, in training, and in voice, they had their eye on the world. 

And as far as Agnetha and Anni, Back in the late 70s, ABBA put out a "BEST OF" Album called "The Magic Of ABBA". It was advertised on TV. I bought it. And not just for the music, that album inside photo and back cover was to me, well, basically hoping my mom wouldn't knock on my bedroom door and interrupt me. TMI? You just said that Agnetha had a great ass. Funny, but Anni, between the two was my favorite.

I'm not particularly fond of grilled cheese, but I would patronize this business, just because of their approach to marketing:



Boru

37...I don't think I remember...how old are you?

(August 17, 2021 at 2:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: 37...I don't think I remember...how old are you?

Depending on Quantum mechanics I am both close to 55 years old, and 13.8 billion years old. But from my perspective I am ABBA old.

(August 17, 2021 at 2:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 17, 2021 at 2:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: 37...I don't think I remember...how old are you?

Depending on Quantum mechanics I am both close to 55 years old, and 13.8 billion years old. But from my perspective I am ABBA old.

And from everyone else's perspective, you’re about twelve.

Boru

Trade Agnetha for Olivia Newton John, and "Let Me Be There" sells just as well.  Remove Agnetha from ABBA, and BBA goes nowhere.

Telling the world the women of Afghanistan will have full rights under islamic law is like telling me I can have any goddamn samwich I want as long as it's plain grilled cheese.  You can keep that Kraft singles shit.

(August 13, 2021 at 7:23 pm)brewer Wrote: The US had little to no business being in Afghanistan to begin with. At best this should have been no more than a 5 year incursion. Staying 20 years has more than likely made the backlash that much worse.

Friend or foe, unfortunately the truth is that both are always going to try to move to what either think are advantages. Russia tried to tackle Afghanistan too, and even today China is looking at our exit as an opportunity. 

I said earlier that America seems far too much stuck on it's WW2 high win, but since, has made quagmires out of North Korea, Viet Nam, Iran and Afghanistan. I think "stay out of it" is a very over simplification in all cases. 

Power vacuums are always going to have competing factions that attempt to fill those voids, BOTH FRIEND AND FOE. 

So I think it is wrong to over simplify solutions with "us vs them". 

If you want to argue we never should have invaded Afghanistan in the first place. I am 100% with you. But we still could have killed Bin Laden with a drone without spending 20 years on the ground.

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(August 13, 2021 at 7:23 pm)brewer Wrote: The US had little to no business being in Afghanistan to begin with. At best this should have been no more than a 5 year incursion. Staying 20 years has more than likely made the backlash that much worse.

William Shatner, "Space, It's 5 year mission, to boldly go where no si fi script has gone before."