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CFL VS NFL.....
#21
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
I prefer NCAA.  I don't like all the motion before the snap in CFL, but it's close enough that I enjoy it.

Rugby plays like school yard ball, which makes it fun.  Run hard.  Knock the fuck out of each other.  No fancy rules.  I like the more kickable ball.  Colleges in this part of the country have unofficial teams and regional leagues.

I was fast and slight as a kid, so I needed the passing game to have a place on the field.  I played from age 8-13 before moving to a school with bigger faster kids.  Stuck with basketball.
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#22
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 7:02 pm)Ranjr Wrote: I prefer NCAA.  I don't like all the motion before the snap in CFL, but it's close enough that I enjoy it.

Rugby plays like school yard ball, which makes it fun.  Run hard.  Knock the fuck out of each other.  No fancy rules.  I like the more kickable ball.  Colleges in this part of the country have unofficial teams and regional leagues.

I was fast and slight as a kid, so I needed the passing game to have a place on the field.  I played from age 8-13 before moving to a school with bigger faster kids.  Stuck with basketball.

Actually, rugby has tonnes of those ‘fancy rules’, but we play so you hardly notice them. Smile

Boru
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#23
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 6:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: For those who watch American football, would you be for a 4 point field goal. In other words, if the field goal kicker can put it through the uprights from 50 yards(including the end zone) or further out.

Absolutely not.  No need for that kind of change.  There are lots of rules that need fixing but the point system is fine.  I did agree with moving the extra point back.  That made a lot of sense and has resulted in a few misses here and there.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#24
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 7:33 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 6:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: For those who watch American football, would you be for a 4 point field goal. In other words, if the field goal kicker can put it through the uprights from 50 yards(including the end zone) or further out.

Absolutely not.  No need for that kind of change.  There are lots of rules that need fixing but the point system is fine.  I did agree with moving the extra point back.  That made a lot of sense and has resulted in a few misses here and there.

Ok, but if I am remembering correctly, basketball started out with only 2 points per bucket, but eventually changed for 3 point score. I think anything over 45 yards would be like a 3 (4 pointer for football) pointer. Like hitting the bullseye from the planet Pluto. I think if you can split the uprights from beyond 45 yards(add 10 yards for end zone) of the NBA's 2 points, the NFL should have a 4 point range like the NBA has a 3 point range.
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#25
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 7:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Ok, but if I am remembering correctly, basketball started out with only 2 points per bucket, but eventually changed for 3 point score. I think anything over 45 yards would be like a 3 (4 pointer for football) pointer. Like hitting the bullseye from the planet Pluto. I think if you can split the uprights from beyond 45 yards(add 10 yards for end zone) of the NBA's 2 points, the NFL should have a 4 point range like the NBA has a 3 point range.

Comparing the point system of one sport to another is not really meaningful.  The 3-point change drastically altered basketball.  Making long field goals worth 4 points wouldn't likely make much difference in the long run.  It's one point.  It would affect a few close games a year at most; games where that single point would make a difference in the last minute.

Also, a 45 yard field goal in the NFL is pretty common.  Actually the rate of 50 yard field goals is over 60%.  But let's be clear about this, that's a 50 YARD field goal, which means the ball was placed at the 33 yard line.  If you are talking about kicking from the 45 yard line, that means it would be a 57 yard field goal.  But again, it might make a difference in a small number of games in which a 4 point score would either tie or win the game at the end, so teams might try that instead of a hail mary pass.  Both would still be low percentage plays.
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#26
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 7:54 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 7:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Ok, but if I am remembering correctly, basketball started out with only 2 points per bucket, but eventually changed for 3 point score. I think anything over 45 yards would be like a 3 (4 pointer for football) pointer. Like hitting the bullseye from the planet Pluto. I think if you can split the uprights from beyond 45 yards(add 10 yards for end zone) of the NBA's 2 points, the NFL should have a 4 point range like the NBA has a 3 point range.

Comparing the point system of one sport to another is not really meaningful.  The 3-point change drastically altered basketball.  Making long field goals worth 4 points wouldn't likely make much difference in the long run.  It's one point.  It would affect a few close games a year at most; games where that single point would make a difference in the last minute.

Also, a 45 yard field goal in the NFL is pretty common.  Actually the rate of 50 yard field goals is over 60%.  But let's be clear about this, that's a 50 YARD field goal, which means the ball was placed at the 33 yard line.  If you are talking about kicking from the 45 yard line, that means it would be a 57 yard field goal.  But again, it might make a difference in a small number of games in which a 4 point score would either tie or win the game at the end, so teams might try that instead of a hail mary pass.  Both would still be low percentage plays.

Well if we are going to discuss point changes, I have never liked the addition of the 2 point pass/run option in football for the 1 extra point kick. But if we are basing scoring on skill, it takes a leg to put it through the uprights, and bigger legs to put it through the uprights the further out you go. I think even in the NBA if you swoosh a net at half court you should get 4 points. I don't see football kickers for field goals as being any different.
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#27
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 8:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Well if we are going to discuss point changes, I have never liked the addition of the 2 point pass/run option in football for the 1 extra point kick. But if we are basing scoring on skill, it takes a leg to put it through the uprights, and bigger legs to put it through the uprights the further out you go. I think even in the NBA if you swoosh a net at half court you should get 4 points. I don't see football kickers for field goals as being any different.

Funny.  I was a huge fan of adding the 2 point conversion to the pro game for two reasons.  One, this rule already existed in the high school and college game as far back as I can remember.  The AFL also used the 2 point conversion for its entire 10 year existence before it merged with the NFL.  So, for most people, the 2 point conversion just seemed like an obvious thing to do and the NFL was just being the No Fun League for not instituting it for so many years.  Two, it's more difficult to score a touchdown even from the 2 yard line than it is to kick it through the uprights from the 15 yard line.  And it's way more exciting to watch, too.

There are a couple of other ways to use a kick to get points but they are pretty obscure and seldom used so most casual fans don't even know about them.

Wanna know my two biggest problems with football rules?  Holding and pass interference.  Both are too subjective and inconsistent and need serious reform.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#28
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 8:47 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 8:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Well if we are going to discuss point changes, I have never liked the addition of the 2 point pass/run option in football for the 1 extra point kick. But if we are basing scoring on skill, it takes a leg to put it through the uprights, and bigger legs to put it through the uprights the further out you go. I think even in the NBA if you swoosh a net at half court you should get 4 points. I don't see football kickers for field goals as being any different.

Funny.  I was a huge fan of adding the 2 point conversion to the pro game for two reasons.  One, this rule already existed in the high school and college game as far back as I can remember.  The AFL also used the 2 point conversion for its entire 10 year existence before it merged with the NFL.  So, for most people, the 2 point conversion just seemed like an obvious thing to do and the NFL was just being the No Fun League for not instituting it for so many years.  Two, it's more difficult to score a touchdown even from the 2 yard line than it is to kick it through the uprights from the 15 yard line.  And it's way more exciting to watch, too.

There are a couple of other ways to use a kick to get points but they are pretty obscure and seldom used so most casual fans don't even know about them.

Wanna know my two biggest problems with football rules?  Holding and pass interference.  Both are too subjective and inconsistent and need serious reform.

I have never liked the 2 point option in football. I always felt like it was cheating. But life is life, and humans do what they do, so you learn to live with it.

But just like the 3 point bucket rule in the NBA was not original, I do think it matters that you can hit that bullseye from a further distance. 

As far as holding and pass interference I don't have a current problem with them (meaning current rules), although I would agree it can be sketchy. Been watching football since I was a kid, so I get it. In a game of inches and literally nanoseconds, combined with position, any call can be marginal.

Pro sports is a product. I think long term, the goal of any ref isn't just about the rules, but also about viewership. If a bad call costs viewers, they don't like it. If a bad call brings them viewers, they like it. But in all seriousness, I don't think professional refs of any sport want to be the center of controversy. 

I can't tell you how many stories in my almost 55 years, next month, I have heard about stories of multiple sports where some ref, football, soccer, hockey, tennis ect ect has been threatened. 

I chalk it up to human tribalism. If we are used to something, we defend it, even if we are wrong.

I think anyone under current rules, and even in my lifetime can get behind calling "Pass interference" when the defender clearly isn't looking at the ball and knocks the receiver on their ass, some things are "No brainers'. But can one make an argument about mutual hand slaps in the process of the play? Yes.
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#29
RE: CFL VS NFL.....
(August 28, 2021 at 9:16 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I have never liked the 2 point option in football. I always felt like it was cheating. But life is life, and humans do what they do, so you learn to live with it.

Why does it seem like cheating when both teams have the option to go for 1 or 2 points after scoring a touchdown?  If a team is good enough, they should attempt it.  There's no rule against it.  Of course I've seen teams lose a game because they went for 2 and failed early in the game and ended up losing by 1 point.
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~Julius Sumner Miller
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