(November 1, 2021 at 6:21 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:17 pm)Foxaire Wrote: I can see how most every one is going to get stuck on the title, considering there is no such thing as sects of atheism.

Atheists are varied people. The only thing we all have in common is our lack of belief in god(s). Atheism is not a belief system, per say, so much as it is merely an absence of belief in a deity or deities.

The soul does not exist. People tend to confuse the conscience for a soul. As far as an afterlife, there simply isn't one.

The title is provocative for sure.

Okay thank you for answering both questions. You’re saying the soul and the afterlife doesn’t exist. This is a belief system because nobody has proof and you’ve defined yourself as having a “lack of belief”.
What are you doing?

No, what was described is a lack of belief. You tagging it ‘a belief system’ doesn’t make it so.

That said, there’s no bar to atheists believing in things - we are defined by the thing in which we do not believe.

Boru

Oh, great, another one waiting for the correct answer.

This won't end well.

(November 1, 2021 at 6:30 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Hard atheist. No souls. No afterlife.

Boru

I think you’re in a bit of a contradiction here my friend because what you see as Hard I see as Confusing.
You’re basically believing that there is absolutely no soul and no afterlife. 100% hard belief and then you want to define yourself as having a “lack of belief”? How?

I also don’t have a belief in goblins. Is that a ‘belief system’?

Honestly, mate - this is stuff that’s been asked and answered a thousand times. You lot twist yourselves into knots trying to turn non-belief into belief. Doesn’t work, never has.

Boru

(November 1, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: There are no 'sects' of atheism.

The only bar, so to speak, that has to be cleared in order to be an atheist, is to NOT be convinced that gods exist. Some atheists go further, and claim to know that gods do not exist, but the fact is, they have still cleared the bar of not being convinced.

Atheism is: not a worldview, has no dogma, no doctrine, no leaders, or 'holy' texts. It is only a single position on a single claim.

My atheism is based on the fact that no theists, in the history of mankind, has ever been able to meet their burden of proof, for their claim that a god  exists. They are unable to produce demonstrable, falsifiable evidence, and valid and sound logic to support their claims. And since a god seems to be playing the longest game of hide and seek in history, my atheism will continue.

My atheism is a provisional position, not a dogmatic one.

As far as souls and an afterlife is concerned, I see no reasons to believe those things exist.

Everything that is supposedly attributed to a soul by theists, can actually be attributed to a physical brain. I also see no reason to believe an afterlife exists, because, since everything that is attributed to a soul by theists, actually no longer exists, when the physical brain dies.

All right, you’re being more vague on my answers and that’s cool but you sound like the dictionary definition of an atheist.
As far as your other points I can describe why atheism is categorized as a religion by United States Supreme Court and a few other things on what you mentioned. For now let’s just stick to these simple two questions in the OP.

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(November 1, 2021 at 6:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:30 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: I think you’re in a bit of a contradiction here my friend because what you see as Hard I see as Confusing.
You’re basically believing that there is absolutely no soul and no afterlife. 100% hard belief and then you want to define yourself as having a “lack of belief”? How?

I also don’t have a belief in goblins. Is that a ‘belief system’?

Honestly, mate - this is stuff that’s been asked and answered a thousand times. You lot twist yourselves into knots trying to turn non-belief into belief. Doesn’t work, never has.

Boru

Is that what dictionary says about the definition of atheism? Belief in goblins?

(November 1, 2021 at 6:16 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:15 pm)brewer Wrote: I lack a god(s) belief system, a soul belief system and an afterlife belief system (as I think you believe it).

If you'd like to know why, it's because there I've not been presented with any credible evidence that I find convincing.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

What can you tell me about souls and the afterlife?

They are a belief that some people hold.

I'd like to hear more on your assertion that "atheism is categorized as a religion by United States Supreme Court".

(November 1, 2021 at 6:33 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Oh, great, another one waiting for the correct answer.

This won't end well.

Let’s discuss. What have you got to lose? We’re all at homes nowadays with more free time.

(November 1, 2021 at 6:34 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: There are no 'sects' of atheism.

The only bar, so to speak, that has to be cleared in order to be an atheist, is to NOT be convinced that gods exist. Some atheists go further, and claim to know that gods do not exist, but the fact is, they have still cleared the bar of not being convinced.

Atheism is: not a worldview, has no dogma, no doctrine, no leaders, or 'holy' texts. It is only a single position on a single claim.

My atheism is based on the fact that no theists, in the history of mankind, has ever been able to meet their burden of proof, for their claim that a god  exists. They are unable to produce demonstrable, falsifiable evidence, and valid and sound logic to support their claims. And since a god seems to be playing the longest game of hide and seek in history, my atheism will continue.

My atheism is a provisional position, not a dogmatic one.

As far as souls and an afterlife is concerned, I see no reasons to believe those things exist.

Everything that is supposedly attributed to a soul by theists, can actually be attributed to a physical brain. I also see no reason to believe an afterlife exists, because, since everything that is attributed to a soul by theists, actually no longer exists, when the physical brain dies.

All right, you’re being more vague on my answers and that’s cool but you sound like the dictionary definition of an atheist.
As far as your other points I can describe why atheism is categorized as a religion by United States Supreme Court and a few other things on what you mentioned. For now let’s just stick to these simple two questions in the OP.

Your court considers atheism a religion only for the purposes of First Amendment protections. They don’t consider it a religion for things like tax exemptions and charity.

SSDD

Boru

(November 1, 2021 at 6:36 pm)brewer Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:16 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: Thank you.

What can you tell me about souls and the afterlife?

They are a belief that some people hold.

Ok but you personally, what is your answer?

(November 1, 2021 at 6:34 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: There are no 'sects' of atheism.

The only bar, so to speak, that has to be cleared in order to be an atheist, is to NOT be convinced that gods exist. Some atheists go further, and claim to know that gods do not exist, but the fact is, they have still cleared the bar of not being convinced.

Atheism is: not a worldview, has no dogma, no doctrine, no leaders, or 'holy' texts. It is only a single position on a single claim.

My atheism is based on the fact that no theists, in the history of mankind, has ever been able to meet their burden of proof, for their claim that a god  exists. They are unable to produce demonstrable, falsifiable evidence, and valid and sound logic to support their claims. And since a god seems to be playing the longest game of hide and seek in history, my atheism will continue.

My atheism is a provisional position, not a dogmatic one.

As far as souls and an afterlife is concerned, I see no reasons to believe those things exist.

Everything that is supposedly attributed to a soul by theists, can actually be attributed to a physical brain. I also see no reason to believe an afterlife exists, because, since everything that is attributed to a soul by theists, actually no longer exists, when the physical brain dies.

All right, you’re being more vague on my answers and that’s cool but you sound like the dictionary definition of an atheist.
As far as your other points I can describe why atheism is categorized as a religion by United States Supreme Court and a few other things on what you mentioned. For now let’s just stick to these simple two questions in the OP.

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(November 1, 2021 at 6:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I also don’t have a belief in goblins. Is that a ‘belief system’?

Honestly, mate - this is stuff that’s been asked and answered a thousand times. You lot twist yourselves into knots trying to turn non-belief into belief. Doesn’t work, never has.

Boru

Is that what dictionary says about the definition of atheism? Belief in goblins?

That’s a stupid question. It’s also a clumsy evasion.

You’re really not very good at this.

Boru

(November 1, 2021 at 6:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Your court considers atheism a religion only for the purposes of First Amendment protections. They don’t consider it a religion for things like tax exemptions and charity.

SSDD

Boru

This is correct and I illustrate it show how “ways of life” court meanings have different definitions from dictionary meanings. Thank you for answering both questions.

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(November 1, 2021 at 6:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That’s a stupid question. It’s also a clumsy evasion.

You’re really not very good at this.

Boru

Okay so you’re out. Lol
You make a nonsensical analogy and then throw your hands up.