It's a crazy idea, I know, but I'm gonna throw it out  anyway:  what may have been effective policy a millennium ago, is less effective now and shows to be adverse.  That may be why followers of Islam are at war with each other and any outsider with the sense to tell them they're nuts.  

Seriously.  Step out of the dark age.  Catch up on things like vocabulary and pluralistic harmony.

(January 12, 2022 at 10:35 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why are you still going on about what other countries have done like it matters to why you think hadith are false or why you think we should chop hands?

Doesn't have anything to do with any of it...and you know it.

If we can't expect a True Muslim to be honest, then what?  What use is magic book if the real believers who eschew everything that isn't in magic book aren't compelled by magic book to basic honesty?  Hell, what use would magic book be, even if it were all true, if this sorry display you've gifted the boards with is it's genuine product?

Revise this post to know why I'm "discussing countries and nations like the vikings and the west":

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63329-p...pid2084025

Quote:Winterhold said in reply to this same exact question:

Quote: Wrote:Bold mine - several posts ago you brought up the Vikings.  You derailed your own thread.

Don't forget that.

The Vikings were an example about moving on if somebody doesn't believe in the threats of hell; because Astreja was offended:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63329-p...Reflection

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(January 13, 2022 at 3:44 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 12, 2022 at 10:35 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why are you still going on about what other countries have done like it matters to why you think hadith are false or why you think we should chop hands?

Doesn't have anything to do with any of it...and you know it.

If we can't expect a True Muslim to be honest, then what?  What use is magic book if the real believers who eschew everything that isn't in magic book aren't compelled by magic book to basic honesty?  Hell, what use would magic book be, even if it were all true, if this sorry display you've gifted the boards with is it's genuine product?

Revise this post to know why I'm "discussing countries and nations like the vikings and the west":

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63329-p...pid2084025

You're discussing western countries because you're a hate-mongering nutball.

(January 13, 2022 at 1:54 am)Ranjr Wrote: It's a crazy idea, I know, but I'm gonna throw it out  anyway:  what may have been effective policy a millennium ago, is less effective now and shows to be adverse.  That may be why followers of Islam are at war with each other and any outsider with the sense to tell them they're nuts.  

Seriously.  Step out of the dark age.  Catch up on things like vocabulary and pluralistic harmony.

The Quran states absolute facts and requires its followers to believe in it: facts like (murderer should be killed-thieve should have his hand cut...etc).
These absolute facts of the faith are not the cause of war in the Middle East, actually the cause is fighting between "warlords-military dictators...etc" over resources and money.

Blaming Islam instead is an obvious -excuse me- ignorance & hypocrisy.

(January 12, 2022 at 2:15 pm)WinterHold Wrote: facts of the faith

         

Yeah, if everybody would just quit stopping all islamists from cutting peoples hands, this world would be such a better place.....with fewer hands, of course.
If looters and pillagers could be tortured and crucified, hands cut off, women discriminated in court, woah, if all of Winters blood thirsty dreams would come true, what a wonderful world this would be.

(January 13, 2022 at 3:51 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The Quran states absolute facts and requires its followers to believe in it: facts like (murderer should be killed-thieve should have his hand cut...etc).
These absolute facts of the faith are not the cause of war in the Middle East, actually the cause is fighting between "warlords-military dictators...etc" over resources and money.

Blaming Islam instead is an obvious -excuse me- ignorance & hypocrisy.

The Quran is a book written by people long ago giving their ill-informed opinions.  You have a misunderstanding of the word "fact."  

War in the Middle East is a result of your hateful, war-mongering religion.

Quote:The Quran states absolute facts and requires its followers to believe in it: facts like (murderer should be killed-thieve should have his hand cut...etc).

Those aren't facts 

Quote:These absolute facts of the faith are not the cause of war in the Middle East, actually the cause is fighting between "warlords-military dictators...etc" over resources and money.

That's the opposite of a fact 

Quote:Blaming Islam instead is an obvious -excuse me- ignorance & hypocrisy.

Nope it's the cause of the problem and your only solution is to shift the blame elsewhere. You are the one who is ignorant and a total hypocrite 

(January 13, 2022 at 3:51 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 13, 2022 at 1:54 am)Ranjr Wrote: It's a crazy idea, I know, but I'm gonna throw it out  anyway:  what may have been effective policy a millennium ago, is less effective now and shows to be adverse.  That may be why followers of Islam are at war with each other and any outsider with the sense to tell them they're nuts.  

Seriously.  Step out of the dark age.  Catch up on things like vocabulary and pluralistic harmony.

The Quran states absolute facts and requires its followers to believe in it: facts like (murderer should be killed-thieve should have his hand cut...etc).
These absolute facts of the faith are not the cause of war in the Middle East, actually the cause is fighting between "warlords-military dictators...etc" over resources and money.

Blaming Islam instead is an obvious -excuse me- ignorance & hypocrisy.

All wars - ultimately - are fought over resources and money. Don’t feel as though you’ve uncovered some profound, mysterious truth.

And while Quranic pronouncements on capital punishment and judicial  maiming may not be the cause of war in the Middle East, they are symptomatic of the essential problem with Islam-dominated societies.

Boru

(January 13, 2022 at 3:56 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(January 13, 2022 at 3:51 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The Quran states absolute facts and requires its followers to believe in it: facts like (murderer should be killed-thieve should have his hand cut...etc).
These absolute facts of the faith are not the cause of war in the Middle East, actually the cause is fighting between "warlords-military dictators...etc" over resources and money.

Blaming Islam instead is an obvious -excuse me- ignorance & hypocrisy.

The Quran is a book written by people long ago giving their ill-informed opinions.  You have a misunderstanding of the word "fact."  

War in the Middle East is a result of your hateful, war-mongering religion.

People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came:





Way long before.
The video is made by a non Muslim, western scholar.

(January 13, 2022 at 8:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 13, 2022 at 3:56 pm)Ranjr Wrote: The Quran is a book written by people long ago giving their ill-informed opinions.  You have a misunderstanding of the word "fact."  

War in the Middle East is a result of your hateful, war-mongering religion.

People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came:





Way long before.
The video is made by a non Muslim, western scholar.

And the Vikings had a much larger trade network than that. But of course you didn't know that. Because you really are that ignorant.