There are roughly 6,000 hospitals in the US alone.

There are almost 4.2 million RNs and 950,000 LPNs/LVNs in the United States. Over 325,000 nurse practitioners (NPs) are licensed in the United States.

There are over 1 million doctors.

Of these millions of health professionals, a handful come forward to say "Hey, they are lying to you. The numbers they are using are wrong. You should believe me because I'm not getting paid like big pharma is."

Surely those other 6.5 million health professionals must be wrong. This handful of people have no reason to lie. Why would they lie ?

Big Pharma produces life saving drugs for millions every day. They spend billions on research and development to meet the requirements that their medications do what they are supposed to do.

My mother takes about 6 different pills each day. She turned 75 and is very active, healthy and she monitors that health with visits to her doctor every 3 months. Medication to help regulate blood pressure, to help her breathe, to help regain bone density and each checkup confirms that those medications are doing what Big Pharma said they would do.

These results on millions of patients every year throughout this country and throughout the world confirm the effectiveness of medications.

A vaccine does nothing more than prepare your body with antibodies to help fight off infection when that virus is detected in your body.

Let's say tomorrow a thousand Russian soldiers parachute down into your city and every house they occupy they can teleport in 1 new soldier every minute.

1000 becomes 1,000,000 before you can start sending in troops to fight them off.

But if you plan ahead of time and place a solider outside each house and fortify the houses so it's much more difficult for an enemy soldier to get in, then you have a much greater chance of fighting off infection.

Vaccines are weapon preparedness.
"Hey we have Intel that the bad guys are carrying spiked maces. Stop them at all costs."

The anti-vax defense I encounter from fellow workers in the health field is: but even if you're vaccinated, you can still get covid.

I like to think that getting covid is like getting pushed off the roof of a one story house. Elderly and those with trouble breathing are probably gonna die.

A vaccine is like having several mattresses on the ground that help protect you. You can still get injured, but the injuries are likely to be much less compared to hitting the ground.

If you wear a parachute when jumping out of a plane, you're still going to hit the ground.

Yes, but not as hard if you don't have one.

Get your parachute vaccine today.

(March 21, 2022 at 10:09 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: There are roughly 6,000 hospitals in the US alone.

There are almost 4.2 million RNs and 950,000 LPNs/LVNs in the United States. Over 325,000 nurse practitioners (NPs) are licensed in the United States.

There are over 1 million doctors.

Of these millions of health professionals, a handful come forward to say "Hey, they are lying to you. The numbers they are using are wrong. You should believe me because I'm not getting paid like big pharma is."

Surely those other 6.5 million health professionals must be wrong. This handful of people have no reason to lie. Why would they lie ?

Big Pharma produces life saving drugs for millions every day. They spend billions on research and development to meet the requirements that their medications do what they are supposed to do.

My mother takes about 6 different pills each day. She turned 75 and is very active, healthy and she monitors that health with visits to her doctor every 3 months. Medication to help regulate blood pressure, to help her breathe, to help regain bone density and each checkup confirms that those medications are doing what Big Pharma said they would do.

These results on millions of patients every year throughout this country and throughout the world confirm the effectiveness of medications.

A vaccine does nothing more than prepare your body with antibodies to help fight off infection when that virus is detected in your body.

Let's say tomorrow a thousand Russian soldiers parachute down into your city and every house they occupy they can teleport in 1 new soldier every minute.

1000 becomes 1,000,000 before you can start sending in troops to fight them off.

But if you plan ahead of time and place a solider outside each house and fortify the houses so it's much more difficult for an enemy soldier to get in, then you have a much greater chance of fighting off infection.

Vaccines are weapon preparedness.
"Hey we have Intel that the bad guys are carrying spiked maces. Stop them at all costs."

These pharmas thet produce life saving medicines for millions, as you say, are willing to sell these medicins and medical equipment at inflated prices for profit. They do not invest billions in research, either. They invest more money on marketing than research. And many of the treatments that they sell, were first developed by universities using our taxes. The university then sells the rights of the treatment to the pharma industry, who will then sell it back at the society that funded its research at, again, inflated prices.

Sorry but the way you talk about pharma like they are good guys really bothers me, even if unintentional. I repeat I am not anti-vaxx, I am anti-greedy pharma. Who have prove for decades they will kill you for profit.

A dead person is a person that can no longer buy medications to help keep them alive.

It's in everyone's interest to help protect people and keep them alive.

(March 21, 2022 at 11:34 pm)Macoleco Wrote:

(March 21, 2022 at 10:09 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: There are roughly 6,000 hospitals in the US alone.

There are almost 4.2 million RNs and 950,000 LPNs/LVNs in the United States. Over 325,000 nurse practitioners (NPs) are licensed in the United States.

There are over 1 million doctors.

Of these millions of health professionals, a handful come forward to say "Hey, they are lying to you. The numbers they are using are wrong. You should believe me because I'm not getting paid like big pharma is."

Surely those other 6.5 million health professionals must be wrong. This handful of people have no reason to lie. Why would they lie ?

Big Pharma produces life saving drugs for millions every day. They spend billions on research and development to meet the requirements that their medications do what they are supposed to do.

My mother takes about 6 different pills each day. She turned 75 and is very active, healthy and she monitors that health with visits to her doctor every 3 months. Medication to help regulate blood pressure, to help her breathe, to help regain bone density and each checkup confirms that those medications are doing what Big Pharma said they would do.

These results on millions of patients every year throughout this country and throughout the world confirm the effectiveness of medications.

A vaccine does nothing more than prepare your body with antibodies to help fight off infection when that virus is detected in your body.

Let's say tomorrow a thousand Russian soldiers parachute down into your city and every house they occupy they can teleport in 1 new soldier every minute.

1000 becomes 1,000,000 before you can start sending in troops to fight them off.

But if you plan ahead of time and place a solider outside each house and fortify the houses so it's much more difficult for an enemy soldier to get in, then you have a much greater chance of fighting off infection.

Vaccines are weapon preparedness.
"Hey we have Intel that the bad guys are carrying spiked maces. Stop them at all costs."

These pharmas thet produce life saving medicines for millions, as you say, are willing to sell these medicins and medical equipment at inflated prices for profit. They do not invest billions in research, either. They invest more money on marketing than research. And many of the treatments that they sell, were first developed by universities using our taxes. The university then sells the rights of the treatment to the pharma industry, who will then sell it back at the society that funded its research at, again, inflated prices.

Sorry but the way you talk about pharma like they are good guys really bothers me, even if unintentional. I repeat I am not anti-vaxx, I am anti-greedy pharma. Who have prove for decades they will kill you for profit.

Hello.

I understand your position though perhaps your wording is a little off?

For example you can/could talk about ALL big buisness behaviour and not just sinlge out the braod brush 'Big Pharma'.

Or you could focus in on just one 'Big Pharma' company and have anuanced conversation about them/it.

Take Nestle for example. They've been known to practice terrible buisness decisions in the past and would potentially seem to be doing so again with the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

Hope that helps.  

Not at work.

(March 21, 2022 at 11:34 pm)Macoleco Wrote: Who have prove for decades they will kill you for profit.

Pharma companies are greedy, often grotesquely so, but I'm having trouble following how it would be profitable for them to kill people. Seems like it would cut into their repeat customer profits, for one thing.

Didn't seem to be the case with Oxy. Their profits increased in direct relation to their willingness to kill off their customers.

That said, while we can grant this in the general or as a point of history - the circumstances around covid, particularly in the us, conspired to make this an exception. They didn't make as much money as they would have liked, and the vaccines won't kill you at a rate higher than placebo. It goes without saying that covid can and will and has. If it turned people blue, people would still take it - as the colloidal silver racket has shown.

I can see doubting the longterm efficacy of these vaccines - especially as a good amount of us seem to be dead-set on actively doing nothing to prevent community spread and the vaccine resistant or evasive variants that will inevitably arise - but the safety? Not so much. I hope that even the most cynical and bad faith politicians of the future will look back on this flirtation with sending so many of their own base to jump off cliff - and choose some other (equally terrible, I'm sure) course of action next go round. Or maybe they'll decide to get polio 2.0 to trigger the libs, again.... who knows.