(June 6, 2022 at 10:34 am)brewer Wrote: Hi Winter. I'm kind of surprised that your bipolar depressive phase kept you away this long.

How's your MS?

Hey brewer, life kept me away not sickness : 
thank you.

(June 6, 2022 at 11:27 am)Aegon Wrote: The next line says the mountains were placed on top of the Earth so the Earth wouldn't move? lol

My bet is always on the mountains contributing to the gravity of earth, if science didn't calculate it now it will tomorrow.

I mean the verse before explicitly described the Big Bang.

Bullshit 

(June 6, 2022 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Silmarillion tells us that Eru Iluvatar created the Ainur from the music of his thought. They gathered before him and made a great song, a music containing many themes of the individual Ainur for their vision of Ea, The World That Is. Eru made this melody reality through the power of the Flame Imperishable.

So, you know…neener neener in your face.

Boru

Preposterous!

Before our world was made, there was niflheim of the cold and dark and fog and ice.....and muspelheim of the fire and light, and between them the great void of ginunngigap.  When niflheim and muspelheim stretched out into the void and came into contact, all that we now know was set into an inevitable cascade of creation and eventual annihilation.

So, you see, it was fluctuation and disparity between areas of great energy in the vacuum that precipitated the emergence of the universe as we see it, exactly as science now proves. Hail aesir, hail vanir, and I'll see you all in valhalla!

(June 6, 2022 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Silmarillion tells us that Eru Iluvatar created the Ainur from the music of his thought. They gathered before him and made a great song, a music containing many themes of the individual Ainur for their vision of Ea, The World That Is. Eru made this melody reality through the power of the Flame Imperishable.

So, you know…neener neener in your face.

Boru

Frankly that's more believable then anything in the Koran

(June 6, 2022 at 5:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(June 6, 2022 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Silmarillion tells us that Eru Iluvatar created the Ainur from the music of his thought. They gathered before him and made a great song, a music containing many themes of the individual Ainur for their vision of Ea, The World That Is. Eru made this melody reality through the power of the Flame Imperishable.

So, you know…neener neener in your face.

Boru

Preposterous!

Before our world was made, there was niflheim of the cold and dark and fog and ice.....and muspelheim of the fire and light, and between them the great void of ginunngigap.  When niflheim and muspelheim stretched out into the void and came into contact, all that we now know was set into an inevitable cascade of creation and eventual annihilation.

So, you see, it was fluctuation and disparity between areas of great energy in the vacuum that precipitated the emergence of the universe as we see it, exactly as science now proves.  Hail aesir, hail vanir, and I'll see you all in valhalla!

Tulkas Astaldo could take Thor off at the knees without breaking a sweat.

Boru

Since we have you back and fresh... Winter, I'll ask what I've often asked before. Why do you find value in any attempt at a secular, scientific, or empirical validation of your faith?

Suppose that you found out that nothing about your religions origin and just so stories were true. Do you suddenly abandon that religion on that basis. Is the religion you follow a description of how the world is, or how it should be..regardless of how it is?

(June 6, 2022 at 4:38 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 6, 2022 at 11:27 am)Aegon Wrote: The next line says the mountains were placed on top of the Earth so the Earth wouldn't move? lol

My bet is always on the mountains contributing to the gravity of earth, if science didn't calculate it now it will tomorrow.

I mean the verse before explicitly described the Big Bang.

Well, clever bet, since newton said everything on earth, or anywhere else, with mass, that includes mountains, contributes to gravity, not only to the earth, but to the solar system, to the Milky Way galaxy, to the entire universe. 

And science can, holy shit, actually calculate by how much.   If we assume everything say, yah, 1000 or more feet above MSL to be part of mountain, and average mountain density is 3000 kg/m^3, where as average density of the rest of earth is 5500 kg/m^3 (all measured by science, by the way), then mountains contributes 1/1000 of 1 percent to earth’s mass and gravity.

You think 0.001% contribution will stop the earth moving when the other 99.999% wouldn’t?

you are very deeply stupid and ignorant, and while I can’t say you are totally not responsible, I bet your Koran bear far more responsibility for your state of being a disgraceful sample of mankind than you.  

The solution, as always, is to not conflate Koran with science like a moron, but to trash Koran, and learn science.

(June 6, 2022 at 9:04 am)Angrboda Wrote: Counting the hits but ignoring the misses is a form of cognitive bias, being a departure from what one would conclude if things were rationally assessed.

It's not even a hit, it's j7st some random ignoramus thinking that some iron age nonsense describes the Big Bang when it patently doesn't. I'm sure Winterhold will vehemently sustain that the qu'ran describes how the Earth was formed 6,000 years ago when it suits him to.

(June 6, 2022 at 4:38 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I mean the verse before explicitly described the Big Bang.

Reality, as anyone else here, doesnt care what you mean.
You are an idiot and the Quran is wrong. Two facts, accurate to almost scary levels.