(October 15, 2022 at 4:47 pm)Ahriman Wrote: All morality comes from religion. I base my morality on my knowledge and understanding of religion, even though I don't participate in religion myself.

You have it exactly backward. The inconsistent, self-contradictory nature of religious texts make it impossible to get any moral guidance there. The best you can do is pick a little from here, pick a little from there. In the end, you go with what ever makes sense to you.

Think about it: If any particular text contained absolute morals, every follower of that particular text would follow them universally. But you would be lucky to find all the people occupying a single pew to agree on the meaning of any particular Bible verse. Even if there is some absolute morality to found there, people are obviously incapable of recognizing it.

(October 15, 2022 at 7:25 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

in both cases the concept of right is ambiguous

(October 15, 2022 at 7:25 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

But what if doing what you are told is right?

(October 15, 2022 at 6:43 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(October 15, 2022 at 4:47 pm)Ahriman Wrote: All morality comes from religion. I base my morality on my knowledge and understanding of religion, even though I don't participate in religion myself.

You have it exactly backward. The inconsistent, self-contradictory nature of religious texts make it impossible to get any moral guidance there. The best you can do is pick a little from here, pick a little from there. In the end, you go with what ever makes sense to you.

Think about it: If any particular text contained absolute morals, every follower of that particular text would follow them universally. But you would be lucky to find all the people occupying a single pew to agree on the meaning of any particular Bible verse. Even if there is some absolute morality to found there, people are obviously incapable of recognizing it.

Don’t feed it.

(October 15, 2022 at 8:10 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 15, 2022 at 6:43 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: You have it exactly backward. The inconsistent, self-contradictory nature of religious texts make it impossible to get any moral guidance there. The best you can do is pick a little from here, pick a little from there. In the end, you go with what ever makes sense to you.

Think about it: If any particular text contained absolute morals, every follower of that particular text would follow them universally. But you would be lucky to find all the people occupying a single pew to agree on the meaning of any particular Bible verse. Even if there is some absolute morality to found there, people are obviously incapable of recognizing it.

Don’t feed it.

I agree, your ego shouldn't be fed.

I would be lying if I did not mention that learning the difference of right from wrong was derived from parental lessons. That being stated, however, I was not the type to entirely mirror my behavior or personality on them, because they had faults I easily recognized and did not want to repeat. Eventually I came to realize that it is best to treat others how you personally want to be treated, and that it is the essential lesson of morality. Empathy, the ability to place yourself in someone else's position.

(October 15, 2022 at 4:47 pm)Ahriman Wrote: All morality comes from religion. I base my morality on my knowledge and understanding of religion, even though I don't participate in religion myself.

I like that idea. But do you believe some religions are better than others when it comes to having a better moral system?

(October 15, 2022 at 8:26 pm)Tomato Wrote: I would be lying if I did not mention that learning the difference of right from wrong was derived from parental lessons. That being stated, however, I was not the type to entirely mirror my behavior or personality on them, because they had faults I easily recognized and did not want to repeat. Eventually I came to realize that it is best to treat others how you personally want to be treated, and that it is the essential lesson of morality. Empathy, the ability to place yourself in someone else's position.

People seem to not realize that the Golden Rule was not exclusive to Christianity. Confucius had his own version, for instance. A few more out there too. I just don't remember which.