(October 20, 2022 at 8:35 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(October 20, 2022 at 6:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What a set-up THAT was, eh?

1. An immortal, non-omnipotent being cannot have an understanding of death, so ‘thou shalt surely die’ would have been gibberish. But there’s wide agreement that God used ‘die’ in a spiritual, as opposed to a physical sense, since those poor, benighted kids didn’t drop down dead the day they at the fruit.

2. Rating from the Tree imparted knowledge of good and evil, so until they ate, Adam and Eve could not possibly have known it was wrong to disobey God.

As origin myths go, it’s a pretty clumsy one.

Boru

Death simply means 'separation', in this case it means separation from God. Sin cannot enter the presence of God, hence "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."- Ezekiel 18:20 or in other words be cut off from the presence of God. An atonement had to be made for sin in order for man to once again enter the presence of God.

(October 20, 2022 at 6:08 pm)HHuggy Bear Wrote:

(October 20, 2022 at 5:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: And, that's the issue, one of translation.  But, in the above passage, why state that, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, you shall die like men, and fall like any prince" if the entities being referred to were just human beings?  It doesn't make sense to tell someone that he is going to die "like [a] man" if, in fact, that individual is a man; he would already know that!

Man was originally immortal, did you forget that whole part in the garden of Eden?

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - Genesis 2:17

(October 20, 2022 at 8:35 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(October 20, 2022 at 6:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What a set-up THAT was, eh?

1. An immortal, non-omnipotent being cannot have an understanding of death, so ‘thou shalt surely die’ would have been gibberish. But there’s wide agreement that God used ‘die’ in a spiritual, as opposed to a physical sense, since those poor, benighted kids didn’t drop down dead the day they at the fruit.

2. Rating from the Tree imparted knowledge of good and evil, so until they ate, Adam and Eve could not possibly have known it was wrong to disobey God.

As origin myths go, it’s a pretty clumsy one.

Boru

Death simply means 'separation', in this case it means separation from God. Sin cannot enter the presence of God, hence "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."- Ezekiel 18:20 or in other words be cut off from the presence of God. An atonement had to be made for sin in order for man to once again enter the presence of God.

(October 20, 2022 at 9:54 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(October 20, 2022 at 9:31 pm)Fireball Wrote: Who, and when, brought xtianity to your ancestors, Huggy?

My ancestors WERE the ancient Hebrews...



Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? Amos 9:7


I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone - Deuteronomy 28:36

And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. - Deuteronomy 28:68

(October 21, 2022 at 8:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote: What did A&E do right after the ate the fruit of good and evil?

They covered their nakedness, right?

Why?  Is nakedness a sin?


If so, that would mean god created A&E already sinners, they just didn’t know it yet

(October 21, 2022 at 3:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 20, 2022 at 8:35 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Death simply means 'separation', in this case it means separation from God. Sin cannot enter the presence of God, hence "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."- Ezekiel 18:20 or in other words be cut off from the presence of God. An atonement had to be made for sin in order for man to once again enter the presence of God.

Then man wasn’t originally immortal?

Boru

(October 21, 2022 at 2:30 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(October 21, 2022 at 8:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote: What did A&E do right after the ate the fruit of good and evil?

They covered their nakedness, right?

Why?  Is nakedness a sin?


If so, that would mean god created A&E already sinners, they just didn’t know it yet

Actually, they covered themselves because they KNEW they were naked.  Knowing stuff is a sin.

(October 21, 2022 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(October 20, 2022 at 9:54 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: My ancestors WERE the ancient Hebrews...



Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? Amos 9:7


I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone - Deuteronomy 28:36

And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. - Deuteronomy 28:68

You do realize you've joined a cult, right?  A racist and anti semite cult, ironically.