Henotheism in the Hebrew Bible.

[Ranjr]

And God said, you're not really dead.  Just dead to me.

And the people rejoiced, we thought you'd never leave.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What a set-up THAT was, eh?

1. An immortal, non-omnipotent being cannot have an understanding of death, so ‘thou shalt surely die’ would have been gibberish. But there’s wide agreement that God used ‘die’ in a spiritual, as opposed to a physical sense, since those poor, benighted kids didn’t drop down dead the day they at the fruit.

2. Rating from the Tree imparted knowledge of good and evil, so until they ate, Adam and Eve could not possibly have known it was wrong to disobey God.

As origin myths go, it’s a pretty clumsy one.

Boru

Death simply means 'separation', in this case it means separation from God. Sin cannot enter the presence of God, hence "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."- Ezekiel 18:20 or in other words be cut off from the presence of God. An atonement had to be made for sin in order for man to once again enter the presence of God.

Then man wasn’t originally immortal?

Boru

[Mister Agenda]

Remember that part in the Bible where King Mesha of Moab sacrificed his son to Chemosh to save Moab from the Israelites and their allies?

AMPC
Then he [Moab’s king] took his eldest son, who was to reign in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering on the wall [in full view of the horrified enemy kings]. And there was great indignation, wrath, and bitterness against Israel; and they [his allies Judah and Edom] withdrew from [Joram] and returned to their own land.

[h4ym4n]

And, that's the issue, one of translation.  But, in the above passage, why state that, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, you shall die like men, and fall like any prince" if the entities being referred to were just human beings?  It doesn't make sense to tell someone that he is going to die "like [a] man" if, in fact, that individual is a man; he would already know that!

Man was originally immortal, did you forget that whole part in the garden of Eden?

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - Genesis 2:17

If that is true then why was there a tree of eternal life in the garden they were aloud to eat?

Why didn’t the serpent tell Eve to eat from the tree of life first?

If the serpent was satan and really wanted to fuck up god’s plans then eating from the tree of life would have been a game changer.

Wouldn’t you agree?




Eve wasn’t invented yet when god told Adam he would die if he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Why didn’t she drop dead long before convincing Adam to take a bite?

[h4ym4n]

What a set-up THAT was, eh?

1. An immortal, non-omnipotent being cannot have an understanding of death, so ‘thou shalt surely die’ would have been gibberish. But there’s wide agreement that God used ‘die’ in a spiritual, as opposed to a physical sense, since those poor, benighted kids didn’t drop down dead the day they at the fruit.

2. Rating from the Tree imparted knowledge of good and evil, so until they ate, Adam and Eve could not possibly have known it was wrong to disobey God.

As origin myths go, it’s a pretty clumsy one.

Boru

Death simply means 'separation', in this case it means separation from God. Sin cannot enter the presence of God, hence "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."- Ezekiel 18:20 or in other words be cut off from the presence of God. An atonement had to be made for sin in order for man to once again enter the presence of God.

What did A&E do right after the ate the fruit of good and evil?

They covered their nakedness, right?

Why?  Is nakedness a sin?


If so, that would mean god created A&E already sinners, they just didn’t know it yet

[The Grand Nudger]

Who, and when, brought xtianity to your ancestors, Huggy?

My ancestors WERE the ancient Hebrews...



Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? Amos 9:7


I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone - Deuteronomy 28:36

And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. - Deuteronomy 28:68

You do realize you've joined a cult, right? A racist and anti semite cult, ironically.

[HappySkeptic]

What did A&E do right after the ate the fruit of good and evil?

They covered their nakedness, right?

Why?  Is nakedness a sin?


If so, that would mean god created A&E already sinners, they just didn’t know it yet

Actually, they covered themselves because they KNEW they were naked.  Knowing stuff is a sin.

[Huggy Bear]

Death simply means 'separation', in this case it means separation from God. Sin cannot enter the presence of God, hence "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."- Ezekiel 18:20 or in other words be cut off from the presence of God. An atonement had to be made for sin in order for man to once again enter the presence of God.

Then man wasn’t originally immortal?

Boru

How did you draw that conclusion from what I said?

[Huggy Bear]

What did A&E do right after the ate the fruit of good and evil?

They covered their nakedness, right?

Why?  Is nakedness a sin?


If so, that would mean god created A&E already sinners, they just didn’t know it yet

Actually, they covered themselves because they KNEW they were naked.  Knowing stuff is a sin.

Think about it, they did something that caused them to realize they were naked, at one point they had innocence then they did something which caused them to lose that innocence.

[Huggy Bear]

My ancestors WERE the ancient Hebrews...



Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? Amos 9:7


I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone - Deuteronomy 28:36

And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. - Deuteronomy 28:68

You do realize you've joined a cult, right?  A racist and anti semite cult, ironically.

So stating that the bible says that the Hebrews were black (lets ignore the fact that there are black Jews in Israel and the continent of Africa right now)makes me a racist anti semite? Make it make sense.