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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 18, 2022 at 10:22 am
I was born in a town called Hope. Extremely ironic name for the events that occur there. I've written about it in a style mixing southern gothic and magical realism. You know what the ironic name has to do with the events that occur there? Nothing. We can look at those events and say, how ironic that they occurred in Hope. But it's absolutely insane to say such irony means the events didn't happen.
Wow.  Kid, you have a screw loose. A besieged city by any other name is still a besieged city.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 18, 2022 at 11:29 am
(November 18, 2022 at 10:09 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:You’ve been badly misinformed. There are YouTube videos of people making crop circles. OK, it's possible. I haven't really studied it that much.
BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:You can get missiles at Luka’s Missile Emporium. Never heard of that. What's an "Emporium"?
BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Do you have any evidence beyond ‘maybes’ that the Vukovar casualties were faked? Sure. The ironic meanings in names. The name "Vukovar" can be read as "city of wolves", wolf being a very demonized animal. Why would somebody name a city "city of wolves" except to make a good story about a massacre? The name Željko Raznatović, the leader of the illegal army that committed Vukovar Massacre, can be read as "one who wants to destroy". Makes little sense as a real name, but it makes a lot of sense as a symbolic name in a myth about a massacre. The name Mile Dedaković, the leader of the poorly organized Croatian army in Vukovar, can be read as "dear grandfather". The surname of the Croatian president at the time, Tuđman, can be read as "foreign ruler" (perhaps in the sense "one who does not rule in the interest of the nation", as he refused to send weapons to Mile Dedaković). And the name Ovčara, the part of the city where the massacre occurred, can be read as "meat from sheep". Why would somebody call a part of a city "meat from sheep" except to make a good story about a massacre? I have published a few papers about the names of places in Croatia (the latest one being about the river names that start with k-r), so I know what I am talking about.
Irony is not evidence. Try again.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 18, 2022 at 1:34 pm
"Can be read as" is doing all the work there, anyway, not irony. Vukovar means fortress or city on the vuka. Which, fact check, is exactly what it was.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 18, 2022 at 2:29 pm
(November 18, 2022 at 1:34 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: "Can be read as" is doing all the work there, anyway, not irony. Vukovar means fortress or city on the vuka. Which, fact check, is exactly what it was.
The truly amazing bit of the story is that Vukovar has had that name at least since the 13th century. Why aren’t we hearing more about the astonishing prophetic abilities of Slavic people? It’s pretty impressive for them to have picked that name - they clearly must have known that there would be a battle on that site eight centuries later.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 18, 2022 at 2:30 pm
Who says wolves are a very demonized animal?
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 18, 2022 at 2:31 pm
(November 18, 2022 at 2:30 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Who says wolves are a very demonized animal?
The same people who think eating a sesame seed roll will cause a heart attack, apparently.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 19, 2022 at 2:07 am
(November 18, 2022 at 11:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 18, 2022 at 10:09 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: OK, it's possible. I haven't really studied it that much.
Never heard of that. What's an "Emporium"?
Sure. The ironic meanings in names. The name "Vukovar" can be read as "city of wolves", wolf being a very demonized animal. Why would somebody name a city "city of wolves" except to make a good story about a massacre? The name Željko Raznatović, the leader of the illegal army that committed Vukovar Massacre, can be read as "one who wants to destroy". Makes little sense as a real name, but it makes a lot of sense as a symbolic name in a myth about a massacre. The name Mile Dedaković, the leader of the poorly organized Croatian army in Vukovar, can be read as "dear grandfather". The surname of the Croatian president at the time, Tuđman, can be read as "foreign ruler" (perhaps in the sense "one who does not rule in the interest of the nation", as he refused to send weapons to Mile Dedaković). And the name Ovčara, the part of the city where the massacre occurred, can be read as "meat from sheep". Why would somebody call a part of a city "meat from sheep" except to make a good story about a massacre? I have published a few papers about the names of places in Croatia (the latest one being about the river names that start with k-r), so I know what I am talking about.
Irony is not evidence. Try again.
Boru OK, fine, you won the debate. The Battle of Vukovar happened.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 19, 2022 at 2:08 am
(November 18, 2022 at 2:30 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Who says wolves are a very demonized animal?
Well, most people think wolves want to eat people, when in fact they don't. In that sense at least, they are being demonized.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 19, 2022 at 2:30 am
Quote:Well, most people think wolves want to eat people, when in fact they don't. In that sense at least, they are being demonized.
No most people don't think that. Stupid people do. People who have access to a TV do. But those are not most people.
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RE: Battle of Vukovar
November 19, 2022 at 2:35 am
Quote:OK, fine, you won the debate. The Battle of Vukovar happened.
This wasn't a debate. 
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