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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 11:31 am
(November 24, 2022 at 11:28 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (October 15, 2022 at 10:35 pm)Belacqua Wrote: We may have shed the religious justifications, but a lot of our morality is directly descended from religion.
I'd be willing to bet that human ideas about how to treat one another far predate the human invention of religion.
Wait, what? You mean things like murder and theft were frowned upon BEFORE humans began concocting religious fantasies? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tellz ya!!
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 11:47 am
My moral code: Think and Care
Think: understand the consequences of your actions, including how they affect others.
Care: Actually care about how your actions affect others.
Part of thinking is reading about moral questions from a variety of sources, weighing the different opinions, thinking about the questions brought up, and figuring out how to apply those judgements in a real-life case.
Part of caring is to regard others as separate, thinking agents, that may differ in their conclusions from what you conclude. When possible, those differences should be respected. When not possible, caring for the individual should still be the goal. Among other things, caring implies a duty to educate when possible.
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 11:50 am
(November 24, 2022 at 10:55 am)Ahriman Wrote: Actually my morality comes from Final Fantasy.
I thought you said all morality come from religion.
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 12:19 pm
(October 15, 2022 at 10:35 pm)Belacqua Wrote: We may have shed the religious justifications, but a lot of our morality is directly descended from religion.
Yeah, many people today get their morality from their religion, that is why they hate gays, beat women, have slaves, marry children, worship their leaders for whom they think were ordained by god, persecute people of other religions, blow themselves up as bombs, and do the female genital mutilations.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 12:24 pm
(November 24, 2022 at 11:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 24, 2022 at 10:55 am)Ahriman Wrote: Actually my morality comes from Final Fantasy.
I thought you said all morality come from religion.
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Final Fantasy contains some religious elements.
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 12:33 pm
(November 24, 2022 at 11:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 24, 2022 at 10:55 am)Ahriman Wrote: Actually my morality comes from Final Fantasy.
I thought you said all morality come from religion.
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 1:30 pm
(November 24, 2022 at 11:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 24, 2022 at 11:28 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'd be willing to bet that human ideas about how to treat one another far predate the human invention of religion.
Wait, what? You mean things like murder and theft were frowned upon BEFORE humans began concocting religious fantasies? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tellz ya!!
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 24, 2022 at 2:07 pm
(November 24, 2022 at 1:30 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (November 24, 2022 at 11:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Wait, what? You mean things like murder and theft were frowned upon BEFORE humans began concocting religious fantasies? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tellz ya!!
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 25, 2022 at 3:35 am
(November 23, 2022 at 2:34 pm)Objectivist Wrote: (October 15, 2022 at 2:22 pm)Gentle_Idiot Wrote: Personally, I just read philosophy books and base my morality on them. They make more sense to me than the Bible.
How about you?
Even though this is a loaded question, I'll answer it. The same place I get almost all of my knowledge: induction, logic applied to observed facts.
Here's hoping you don't get it from the place your name implies, because Ayn Rand is a truly awful moral guide.
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RE: As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance?
November 25, 2022 at 4:09 am
(November 25, 2022 at 3:35 am)GUBU Wrote: (November 23, 2022 at 2:34 pm)Objectivist Wrote: Even though this is a loaded question, I'll answer it. The same place I get almost all of my knowledge: induction, logic applied to observed facts.
Here's hoping you don't get it from the place your name implies, because Ayn Rand is a truly awful moral guide.
I firmly believe that Rand never understood that Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' was satire.
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