(January 6, 2023 at 1:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 12:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Immaterial. Nuclear weapons are under control of the Executive branch, not the Legislative.

Boru

But, it's the Legislative branch that provides the defense funding.  One could imagine a situation where the US government collapses because Congress is unable to go into session, martial law is declared, etc.

It's an extreme scenario, to be sure, but with someone like Trump having been in power, why risk it??  And, Biden, even though he is completely stable right now, what happens if he develops some neurological disease and starts to slip into the crazy side??

You do realize that the existing nukes are already paid for, right? Both houses of Congress could melt down into a greasy smear and it would have no effect on the US launching nuclear weapons.

And it doesn’t make a bit of difference if Biden (or any other President) goes teetotal fucknuts crazy - he’s still the only person in government able to authorize a nuclear attack.

Boru

(January 6, 2023 at 1:19 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Scrolling through news stories earlier and saw where Mike Pence could actually be selected for speaker.  Apparently, you don't have to be a member of the House to be the Speaker of the House.

This situation is an appropriate use of the term 'festering fucktangle'.

I believe it was Gaetz who nominated Trump for Speaker.

Boru

(January 6, 2023 at 2:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 1:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote: But, it's the Legislative branch that provides the defense funding.  One could imagine a situation where the US government collapses because Congress is unable to go into session, martial law is declared, etc.

It's an extreme scenario, to be sure, but with someone like Trump having been in power, why risk it??  And, Biden, even though he is completely stable right now, what happens if he develops some neurological disease and starts to slip into the crazy side??

You do realize that the existing nukes are already paid for, right? Both houses of Congress could melt down into a greasy smear and it would have no effect on the US launching nuclear weapons.

And it doesn’t make a bit of difference if Biden (or any other President) goes teetotal fucknuts crazy - he’s still the only person in government able to authorize a nuclear attack.

Boru

Yes, the weapons are paid for, but, the crews that deploy and manage them need to be paid. If the government shut down and service personnel went without their paychecks for long enough, many of them could start abandoning their posts, which could lead to chaos.

(January 6, 2023 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 1:19 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Scrolling through news stories earlier and saw where Mike Pence could actually be selected for speaker.  Apparently, you don't have to be a member of the House to be the Speaker of the House.

This situation is an appropriate use of the term 'festering fucktangle'.

I believe it was Gaetz who nominated Trump for Speaker.

Boru

It was. Although it looks like there’s some good news. 14 of the holdouts are finally defecting back to McCarthy. 3 more defectors and the House can finally get on with their lives.

(January 6, 2023 at 2:43 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I believe it was Gaetz who nominated Trump for Speaker.

Boru

It was. Although it looks like there’s some good news. 14 of the holdouts are finally defecting back to McCarthy. 3 more defectors and the House can finally get on with their lives.

Once done I am sure that they will claim how wonderful they are.

(January 6, 2023 at 2:43 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I believe it was Gaetz who nominated Trump for Speaker.

Boru

It was. Although it looks like there’s some good news. 14 of the holdouts are finally defecting back to McCarthy. 3 more defectors and the House can finally get on with their lives.

i have no interest in a house led by a speaker who depended on the trump wing to get on with their lives.

Here it is, January 6th again and our government is in turmoil. Whodathunkit?

strictly speaking, last time is was armed insurrection. this time it is just to ensure insurrection has no consequences for the ring leader in chief so hopefully similar insurrection can be tried and again and maybe succeed next time.

not quite the same thing.

(January 6, 2023 at 2:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 2:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You do realize that the existing nukes are already paid for, right? Both houses of Congress could melt down into a greasy smear and it would have no effect on the US launching nuclear weapons.

And it doesn’t make a bit of difference if Biden (or any other President) goes teetotal fucknuts crazy - he’s still the only person in government able to authorize a nuclear attack.

Boru

Yes, the weapons are paid for, but, the crews that deploy and manage them need to be paid.  If the government shut down and service personnel went without their paychecks for long enough, many of them could start abandoning their posts, which could lead to chaos.

You’ve had government shutdowns before. I don’t recall and headlines about military personnel abandoning their posts.

It’s important to remember that the US government isn’t shut down, nor is it in imminent danger of doing so.

Boru

(January 6, 2023 at 3:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 6, 2023 at 2:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Yes, the weapons are paid for, but, the crews that deploy and manage them need to be paid.  If the government shut down and service personnel went without their paychecks for long enough, many of them could start abandoning their posts, which could lead to chaos.

You’ve had government shutdowns before. I don’t recall and headlines about military personnel abandoning their posts.

It’s important to remember that the US government isn’t shut down, nor is it in imminent danger of doing so.

Boru

Oh, I agree; it's largely a hypothetical, but, then again, so was a sitting Vice President overturning the vote of the Electoral College in a Presidential election. In my opinion, the Constitution needs a new Ammendment that says the House of Representatives has 7 days to choose a new speaker by majority vote, after which, the speaker will be chosen based upon a plurality of votes with no minimum quorum necessary for the vote to take place.