(June 10, 2023 at 8:12 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 3:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It is very cute that you should speak of “god” with a such an adult like knowing air as if god actually exists to be known.

God can be know if you approach Him on His terms.

So can any fictional creation be seemingly known as real if you approach it on the terms outlined in the fiction.  But doing so should be the preserve of children playing make belief during games, not adults.

In Islam, God is the creator of good and evil, both serve the same purpose of "shaping the exam of life":

Quote:Sura 67, The Quran:
https://quran.com/67?startingVerse=2

(2) Who created death and life to test you as to which of you is best in deeds, and He is the All-Mighty, the Most Forgiving.

Kids die with Cancer to create the test condition:

1-Either we rebel and become evil in response
2-Or we become better people and use this painful experience to do good deeds

Let me give you an example with 2 different people, let's call them X and Y, both had a son who died from cancer.

X became evil after the experience so he joined a drug gang and went on a rampage of evil deeds.
Y became depressed, but decided to open a philanthropy business to help other kids with chronic and fatal illnesses.

You see? God just created such scenario.
Measure on all bad things that happen in this life, they have a purpose.

In conclusion; God is not a human or even a creature like he is portrayed by many wrong faiths. He is a god, he created both evil and good, life and death, fire and water, up and down.

So, kids with cancer is a selling point for god?

Try again.

God just cant catch a break with the faithful, can he. Every time we think they've hit the floor with the shit they accuse their god of doing, someone pops up to dig another sub-basement.

(June 10, 2023 at 4:30 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: So, kids with cancer is a selling point for god?

Try again.

Kids with cancer -just like me, you and everybody else- are slaves of God according to Islam; instances of the same humanoid God shaped through Billions of years:
If they're not slaves to God, then they're slaves of nature.

(June 10, 2023 at 4:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote: In Islam, God is the creator of good and evil, both serve the same purpose of "shaping the exam of life":

Quote:Sura 67, The Quran:
https://quran.com/67?startingVerse=2

(2) Who created death and life to test you as to which of you is best in deeds, and He is the All-Mighty, the Most Forgiving.

Kids die with Cancer to create the test condition:

1-Either we rebel and become evil in response
2-Or we become better people and use this painful experience to do good deeds

Let me give you an example with 2 different people, let's call them X and Y, both had a son who died from cancer.

X became evil after the experience so he joined a drug gang and went on a rampage of evil deeds.
Y became depressed, but decided to open a philanthropy business to help other kids with chronic and fatal illnesses.

You see? God just created such scenario.
Measure on all bad things that happen in this life, they have a purpose.

In conclusion; God is not a human or even a creature like he is portrayed by many wrong faiths. He is a god, he created both evil and good, life and death, fire and water, up and down.

Why does there have to be a test condition at all? God already knows who is going on a drug rampage and who is going to become a philanthropist. What is the point of killing children with cancer when the outcome is already known? 

Applauding the slow, painful death of children as an opportunity for their parents to serve God makes you a monster. You need to know this.

Boru

(June 10, 2023 at 4:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 10, 2023 at 4:30 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: So, kids with cancer is a selling point for god?

Try again.

Kids with cancer -just like me, you and everybody else- are slaves of God according to Islam; instances of the same humanoid God shaped through Billions of years:
If they're not slaves to God, then they're slaves of nature.

*ticks the 'slave of nature' box on the form*

Boru

I have a cousin with a grandson who is about 3 years old. He has already spent 2/3 of his life being ill from cancer and cancer treatments. Poor little thing also had this during the height of COVID and essentially had to live in a clean room for months on end. If that's what god's about, I'll pass.

(June 10, 2023 at 7:47 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(June 10, 2023 at 3:49 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: I didn’t say any “god” worthy of worship is self contradicting.   I say a god that is both all powerful and worthy of worship is self contradicting.

Not in any clear or obvious way.

The contradiction is all powerful entity would have no reason to ever come to behave in any specific way.   Any attempt to explain how such an entity come to behave in any manner attributed to him inescapably and implicitly implies limitations in the entity’s power had compelled the entity to behave in a specific way to circumvent some effects of these limitations.

I'm still not seeing it. I think the inference is strained even in the case of natural beings. There are plenty of things I personally do that have nothing to do with any limitation on my own "power". Plenty of ways that I behave which are not compelled by overcoming limitations in some way. I get that a limited god couldn't be said to be all powerful in the plainest or strictest sense, but it's not clear that acting any particular way implies limitations - though we could grant that acting some ways does.