(June 26, 2023 at 12:42 pm)brewer Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 12:31 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: What I would actually want to see is a representative sample of pictures of river water meeting ocean war all over the world. The reason you picked the Fraser river is that is one of the very few where you can see a boundary like that. The waters are mixing fine, it's the silt that's having trouble getting through the ocean water. Temperature and density are the main factors in determing how easily river water and ocean water mix.

Isn't the idea that there's some sort of barrier between freshwater and saltwater from the Q'uran anyway? I thought you were a Christian.

Of come on, there are no waves in the ocean to create agitation.  

Wait, I got it, god stopped all of the waves and ocean currents, just like magic.

not only waves,  but enough water to drown the tallest mountain would march across the hills and valleys of land in placid millpond manner,  to drown every living creature calmly and with tranquility of both the water,  and no doubt of the heart, as only a make belief instrument of destruction of a fictional god imagined by a mind both childishly ignorant and fiendishly psychopathic could.

where do we know of such a mind on this thread?

(June 26, 2023 at 8:42 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 24, 2023 at 12:01 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: that’s more of the kind of deeply ignorant and delusionally flippant bullshit that we can not but be expected to come from our  “farmer” here.  most seed plants seeds can’t survive prolonged immersion in water.  some land plant seeds germinate better if soaked for a few days.       but almost all will be killed if soaked for a few weeks and never germinate.   soak the seeds for a few month and almost all of them would have decomposed or disintegrated.

You are aware that 'most seeds' are not exposed to the environment, as they all come prepackaged in some sort of chaff or pod right? This utter shell or even fruit of the seed seal and protect the actual seed embryo. This protective layer is so strong it can in fact live through the digestive processes/acids in the gut of most animals.

That it normally take months of exposure to water and soil which through the decomposition of this outer shell and membrane allows the pod to errode away enough for the seed to germinate. That is One of the reasons why plants bloom in the spring after the rain. in the wild seeds are exposed many rain cycles or even constant direct contact moisture. for MOST of the Year. yet do not germinate till the spring. as the seed needs to sense a weather change, and moisture.

From britacanna online:

The seeds of many species do not germinate immediately after exposure to conditions generally favourable for plant growth but require a “breaking” of dormancy, which may be associated with change in the seed coats or with the state of the embryo itself. Commonly, the embryo has on innate dormancy and will develop after the seed coat is removed or sufficiently damaged to allow water to enter. Germination in such cases depends upon rotting or abrasion of the seed coat in the gut of an animal or in the soil. 

So the seeds (In most cases) are good indefinitely so longe as this putter 'seed coat'/shell remains intact.

you are aware that doesn’t matter, right,  immerse them in water for several month the entire thing rots, right?    and seed germinating after a few rain shows is not the same as seed immersed in or floating in bodies of water, right?


I think you should end so toxic a relationship with your god that it has made you into a blithering moron.

(June 26, 2023 at 9:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Where do you think your shared beliefs fall on that spectrum?  Do you think big boats and divine immorality are towards the shallow end, or the deep end?

It's clearly not the popular end.. IE not the end where people who go along to get along reside.

(June 26, 2023 at 9:42 am)no one Wrote: Hey asshat, every word you utter clearly pageants how you are anything but an independent thinker you are, and showcases what an absolute parrot you are.

You have never had an original thought in your life.

You make brain damaged lemurs look like astrophysicts.

So when I post or posit a plausible theory
noun

the·o·ry ˈthē-ə-rē  
ˈthir-ē
3.a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

On how all this/ the ark could possibly work, in such a way that YOU clearly have never heard before.(Eggs and baby mammals) That I'm the one thats the parrot?

come on bruh..  

what else you got to working with?

reality?

(June 26, 2023 at 2:09 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 9:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Where do you think your shared beliefs fall on that spectrum?  Do you think big boats and divine immorality are towards the shallow end, or the deep end?

It's clearly not the popular end.. IE not the end where people who go along to get along reside.

I'm not sure I understand the response.  Go along to get along with what?  

How impactful, how meaningful to a belief in a god...or your belief in your specific god, is your belief in floods or in a gods moral inscrutability?  What is it doing for you that you feel compelled to take what you perceive to be an unpopular position on these two items? You appear to be aware that there are plenty of folks who don't have to tie their scrotums into knots about a boat to maintain belief in christ. You might also be aware that claiming god has the power to make it's evil acts good...somehow...isn't a thing that christian folks will instinctively reach for.

Why do you, what does it mean to you?

I am making a distinction between religious belief which is faith based, verses Religious belief/relationship with God which is experienced based. I have pointed out a few time before that religious belief is in fact a group think because you literally have to be told what to believe and this belief is based on nothing more than desire.

However to assume all religious belief is faith based is wrong.

(June 26, 2023 at 9:45 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -as an additional point of interest, what are those beliefs doing for you, wherever they fall on that spectrum as you see it?  As in, absent those two things being true, what part of your religion...would be endangered?

All of the religious/faith based parts of my belief would be endanger. Depending on how deep the relationship Goes verse how much of my system of belief is simply faith based on religion.

Quote: Please note that I'm not asking about your superstitions.  Things like a belief in biblical inerrancy

Nothing in the Bible says it is inerrant. God is inerrant, the Bible is not God.

Quote: and magic and the wondrous exploits of literary heroes.

Such as?

Quote: Your religion.  

what specifically?

Quote: How would your understanding of what is sacred and what is taboo,

Nothing but God is sacred, no trinkets, no books not people places or things.. Also, We are commanded to question all things and to hold on to what is good. IE there are no taboo subjects.

Quote:of how to live a good life

to treat others the same way I want to be treated.

Quote: and how things ought to be...be changed

With in the confines of the law and or any superior authority or principle that God put into place

Quote:- if you did not believe in big boats, and the moral inscrutability of gods?

If I did not believe in God then why would you expect my understanding of the flood would be any different than yours? Does this differing belief not prove that I am clearly not apart of the group think that you yourself belong to?

Quote:So when I post or posit a plausible theory
noun

the·o·ry  
ˈthir-ē
3.a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

On how all this/ the ark could possibly work, in such a way that YOU clearly have never heard before.(Eggs and baby mammals) That I'm the one thats the parrot?

come on bruh..  

what else you got to working with?

So misusing the word theory in a nonscientific context. Also what you are proposing aren't theories there nonsense you try and dress up as theories. And you only do that to maintain your indoctrinated position about the flood .etc..

And now your trying to weasel word your way out the fact your beliefs are based solely on indoctrination. You know i'll religious fundamentalists one they at least have the courage to admit what they believe.

your notion of “experience based” is indistinguishable from “faith based”, which is also indistinguishable from “bullshit based”, because none of it contain any demonstrable and repeatable method to control for, or exclude the impact of subjectivity or, blatant bullshit.

That fact that scientist are subject to subjectivity does not alter the fact that science is credible because it also contain practices and mechanisms for controlling for the effects of subjectivity and bullshit. your drawing of equivalence between science and bullshit, aka faith, exhibits your duplicitous personality because the fundamental distinguishing feature of science, which makes it credit where faith can never have credibility to the intellectually honest, is precisely demonstrable and repeatable method to control for, or exclude the impact of subjectivity.