(July 17, 2023 at 7:46 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 17, 2023 at 7:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But sin is specifically transgression against God, while an immoral act may or may not be. By way of example, if I were to tell a lie for the sole purpose of sparing someone’s feelings, it would be a sin but certainly not immoral.

Boru

The bible says we can sin against one another.

1 Corinthians 8:12 is pretty explicit that sinning against other people is ultimately a sin against God.

Do you think (per my example above) that it’s at least circumstantially possible for a sin to not be immoral?

Boru

I guess Lek really didn't want to answer my questions. The look I'm wearing on my face is my shocked look -- not to be confused with the similar bored and disappointed look.

(July 17, 2023 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 17, 2023 at 7:46 pm)Lek Wrote: The bible says we can sin against one another.

1 Corinthians 8:12 is pretty explicit that sinning against other people is ultimately a sin against God.

Do you think (per my example above) that it’s at least circumstantially possible for a sin to not be immoral?

Boru

No. If it's not immoral I don't think it's sinful. Like you said, there may be a circumstance in which lying would be the best choice. You can't make a list of everything sinful and say if it's on the list it's sinful and if it's not on the list it's ok.

(July 17, 2023 at 9:06 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I guess Lek really didn't want to answer my questions. The look I'm wearing on my face is my shocked look -- not to be confused with the similar bored and disappointed look.

Sorry. I can't find the question on the thread. Ask me again and I'll answer.

(July 17, 2023 at 4:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Since my last post here I attended a bible study and had an unpleasant revelation. It came to me as we read Ephesians 4:15 which reads:  "Instead, speaking the truth in LOVE, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is Christ".  

It hit me that I've been speaking what I believe to be the truth, but coming off as very unloving. The truth is that I do love immigrants and LBGTQ individuals and everybody else, but have different ideas to help and better everyone in our society.

When discussing and debating issues I tend to focus narrowly on the issue at hand. As long as I'm not spewing hatred I assume that others will not think of me as hateful. Anyway, In the future I will try to express my feelings in that regard as I make my points. I apologize to anyone I may have unintentionally hurt.

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I'm guessing that you get to determine what 'hatred' is.

(July 17, 2023 at 9:15 pm)brewer Wrote:

(July 17, 2023 at 4:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Since my last post here I attended a bible study and had an unpleasant revelation. It came to me as we read Ephesians 4:15 which reads:  "Instead, speaking the truth in LOVE, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is Christ".  

It hit me that I've been speaking what I believe to be the truth, but coming off as very unloving. The truth is that I do love immigrants and LBGTQ individuals and everybody else, but have different ideas to help and better everyone in our society.

When discussing and debating issues I tend to focus narrowly on the issue at hand. As long as I'm not spewing hatred I assume that others will not think of me as hateful. Anyway, In the future I will try to express my feelings in that regard as I make my points. I apologize to anyone I may have unintentionally hurt.

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I'm guessing that you get to determine what 'hatred' is.

Intense dislike or ill will.

(July 17, 2023 at 9:13 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 17, 2023 at 9:06 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I guess Lek really didn't want to answer my questions.  The look I'm wearing on my face is my shocked look -- not to be confused with the similar bored and disappointed look.

Sorry. I can't find the question on the thread. Ask me again and I'll answer.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-65176-p...pid2155897

(July 17, 2023 at 7:49 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 17, 2023 at 7:39 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Except you hold the welfare of real humans hostage to your sad devotion to a nonexistent and, not to put too fine a point on it, rather immoral, diety, with your concept of morality.    You transgressed against the practical good of mankind to indulge in a fantasy.

No I didn't. You're only looking at itseffect on certain individuals, instead of everyone effected.

‘Everyone affected” is just an excuse for domineering busybodying.    You’re not liking what other are doing is an effect upon you that you just have to suck up.   You sin by not sucking it up, you sin by invoking fictional deities to circumscribe the freedom of others.

An offense to the lord is not an affectation on everyone.

(July 17, 2023 at 4:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Since my last post here I attended a bible study and had an unpleasant revelation. It came to me as we read Ephesians 4:15 which reads:  "Instead, speaking the truth in LOVE, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is Christ".  

It hit me that I've been speaking what I believe to be the truth, but coming off as very unloving. The truth is that I do love immigrants and LBGTQ individuals and everybody else, but have different ideas to help and better everyone in our society.

When discussing and debating issues I tend to focus narrowly on the issue at hand. As long as I'm not spewing hatred I assume that others will not think of me as hateful. Anyway, In the future I will try to express my feelings in that regard as I make my points. I apologize to anyone I may have unintentionally hurt.

Well done, Lek. ❤️