(August 16, 2023 at 12:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

"Me promise second cumming, long time!"

(August 16, 2023 at 12:59 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

Theists will likely respond "god works in mysterious ways".

(August 16, 2023 at 6:49 pm)A. Secular Human Wrote: Theists will likely respond "god works in mysterious ways".

Palpatine to Padme: "Now enter the apologists, the true arbiters of the meaning of scripture."

Aquinas: All things that are in time are present to God from eternity, not only because He has the types of things present within Him, as some say; but because His glance is carried from eternity over all things as they are in their presentiality. Hence it is manifest that contingent things are infallibly known by God, inasmuch as they are subject to the divine sight in their presentiality; yet they are future contingent things in relation to their own causes.

(August 16, 2023 at 8:31 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(August 16, 2023 at 6:49 pm)A. Secular Human Wrote: Theists will likely respond "god works in mysterious ways".

Palpatine to Padme: "Now enter the apologists, the true arbiters of the meaning of scripture."

Aquinas: All things that are in time are present to God from eternity, not only because He has the types of things present within Him, as some say; but because His glance is carried from eternity over all things as they are in their presentiality. Hence it is manifest that contingent things are infallibly known by God, inasmuch as they are subject to the divine sight in their presentiality; yet they are future contingent things in relation to their own causes.

You know, I wouldn't be able to quote Aquinas with a straight face. He was either crazy or the best car salesman ever. Bowling over the ignorant with bullshit was easy in the early Catholic church.

(August 16, 2023 at 8:59 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(August 16, 2023 at 8:31 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:
Palpatine to Padme: "Now enter the apologists, the true arbiters of the meaning of scripture."

Aquinas: All things that are in time are present to God from eternity, not only because He has the types of things present within Him, as some say; but because His glance is carried from eternity over all things as they are in their presentiality. Hence it is manifest that contingent things are infallibly known by God, inasmuch as they are subject to the divine sight in their presentiality; yet they are future contingent things in relation to their own causes.

You know, I wouldn't be able to quote Aquinas with a straight face. He was either crazy or the best car salesman ever. Bowling over the ignorant with bullshit was easy in the early Catholic church.

Rest assured I do nothing with a straight face. ;-)

(August 16, 2023 at 9:09 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(August 16, 2023 at 8:59 pm)Fireball Wrote: You know, I wouldn't be able to quote Aquinas with a straight face. He was either crazy or the best car salesman ever. Bowling over the ignorant with bullshit was easy in the early Catholic church.

Rest assured I do nothing with a straight face. ;-)

So you were a model for Picasso?

(August 16, 2023 at 8:59 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(August 16, 2023 at 8:31 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:
Palpatine to Padme: "Now enter the apologists, the true arbiters of the meaning of scripture."

Aquinas: All things that are in time are present to God from eternity, not only because He has the types of things present within Him, as some say; but because His glance is carried from eternity over all things as they are in their presentiality. Hence it is manifest that contingent things are infallibly known by God, inasmuch as they are subject to the divine sight in their presentiality; yet they are future contingent things in relation to their own causes.

You know, I wouldn't be able to quote Aquinas with a straight face. He was either crazy or the best car salesman ever. Bowling over the ignorant with bullshit was easy in the early Catholic church.

Except that it wasn't the early Catholic church. There was about as much time between Augustine and Aquinas as between Aquinas and us.

Aquinas was high middles ages, when BS reigned supreme, but not Reformation, when it became really dangerous.

I see nothing to laugh at here.

(August 17, 2023 at 7:43 am)polymath257 Wrote:

(August 16, 2023 at 8:59 pm)Fireball Wrote: You know, I wouldn't be able to quote Aquinas with a straight face. He was either crazy or the best car salesman ever. Bowling over the ignorant with bullshit was easy in the early Catholic church.

Except that it wasn't the early Catholic church. There was about as much time between Augustine and Aquinas as between Aquinas and us.

Aquinas was high middles ages, when BS reigned supreme, but not Reformation, when it became really dangerous.

OK

(August 17, 2023 at 7:15 pm)MarcusA Wrote: I see nothing to laugh at here.

Except you, you credulous numpty.

Mental illness is not funny. - Philip K. Dick