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Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 1:30 pm
Nishant Xavier must be cackling with glee at the idea of so many people continuing to argue points posed by a banned member.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 4:24 pm (This post was last modified: August 20, 2023 at 4:25 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(August 20, 2023 at 11:15 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: 1.      The Life-Permitting Possible Configurations of the Universe are vanishingly small compared to the Life-Precluding ones (as amply admitted/documented by the above Scientists/Researchers).

Your god must be a very lame deity indeed, 
if it can only make life happen within the range it could have happened spontaneously anyway.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 4:27 pm (This post was last modified: August 20, 2023 at 4:30 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:1.      The Life-Permitting Possible Configurations of the Universe are vanishingly small compared to the Life-Precluding ones (as amply admitted/documented by the above Scientists/Researchers).
Really scientists have been to every possible universe and seen every possible form of life and have every possible form of physics could take or are they simply starting from us and working backward which will bias their conclusions? Also as long the probability isn't zero your point is refuted mere credulity isn't an argument. Also, why should a god care for probabilities?
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 4:43 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 10:33 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: I can toss 32 pair of dice on my desk right now, and the resulting pattern has the probability of 1/googolplex. 
It's not designed.

 Um, no. 6^64 is less than a googol (10^100) and not even comparable to a googolplex (10^googol).

To get to 1 in a googolplex, you would need to roll as many 20-sided dice as there are fundamental particles in the observable universe.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 6:23 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 4:43 pm)polymath257 Wrote:
(August 20, 2023 at 10:33 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: I can toss 32 pair of dice on my desk right now, and the resulting pattern has the probability of 1/googolplex. 
It's not designed.

 Um, no. 6^64 is less than a googol (10^100) and not even comparable to a googolplex (10^googol).

To get to 1 in a googolplex, you would need to roll as many 20-sided dice as there are fundamental particles in the observable universe.

Thank you for the correction. 
My point stands. Highly unlikely single events happen all the time, and need no design.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 6:30 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 4:43 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Um, no. 6^64 is less than a googol (10^100) and not even comparable to a googolplex (10^googol).

$  echo '6^64' | bc |  sed -e :a -e 's/\(.*[0-9]\)\([0-9]\{3\}\)/\1,\2/;ta'

63,340,286,662,973,277,706,162,286,946,811,886,609,896,461,828,096
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 7:47 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 1:30 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Nishant Xavier must be cackling with glee at the idea of so many people continuing to argue points posed by a banned member.

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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 8:12 pm
There is no such thing as chance in the world. - David Hume

And yet, I still believe in free will. Go figure.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 8:51 pm (This post was last modified: August 20, 2023 at 8:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 20, 2023 at 4:24 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(August 20, 2023 at 11:15 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: 1.      The Life-Permitting Possible Configurations of the Universe are vanishingly small compared to the Life-Precluding ones (as amply admitted/documented by the above Scientists/Researchers).

Your god must be a very lame deity indeed, 
if it can only make life happen within the range it could have happened spontaneously anyway.

The incredible irony in a natural world created by a supernatural god.  If the faithful really sat down and thought it through....it would make a far better case for some supernatural sustaining force if we found ourselves as we are right now - but living on the surface of a star.  A situation that could not be explained by natural mechanisms and relationships as we understand them, rather than a situation which tacitly acknowledges that the best explanation for us is a natural one, and seeks..rather than explaining us supernaturally, to take possession of that natural explanation.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 9:41 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 8:12 pm)MarcusA Wrote: There is no such thing as chance in the world. - David Hume

And yet, I still believe in free will. Go figure.

What you believe is irrelevant. Neuro-science has proven that you have about 5 % "free will". Decisions are made before you are aware of them, 
consciously, By a few seconds. I'll post the research links in the AM.
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