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Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.

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Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 11:24 pm (This post was last modified: August 20, 2023 at 11:30 pm by MarcusA.)
(August 20, 2023 at 10:23 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(August 20, 2023 at 9:52 pm)MarcusA Wrote: "Free Will is limited." - Erasmus

Go figure.

Freedom is choice.

Choice is selection, and snack machines make those too.  Are snack machines free?

Twisted logic is always the best. haha
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 11:28 pm
I believe in miracles. When you're waiting at an intersection at a busy time of the day and there's a sudden break in the traffic, it's a miracle like the parting of the waters.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
August 20, 2023 at 11:41 pm
(August 20, 2023 at 11:24 pm)MarcusA Wrote:
(August 20, 2023 at 10:23 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Choice is selection, and snack machines make those too.  Are snack machines free?

Twisted logic is always the best. haha

Is there any other kind?
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 12:41 am
(August 20, 2023 at 9:56 pm)MarcusA Wrote:
(August 20, 2023 at 9:54 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Perhaps a better example is the specific arrangement of molecules in the air of a room.

To be more specific, divide the room into 100 distinct volumes, and count the number of ways molecules can be distributed over those smaller volumes. While this doesn't get up to a googolplex, it is far, far larger than a googol.

Weird Science. Good film.

I prefer Real Genius.  One of Val Kilmer's earlier films.

The science was decently accurate, too
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 10:28 am
(August 20, 2023 at 11:28 pm)MarcusA Wrote: I believe in miracles. When you're waiting at an intersection at a busy time of the day and there's a sudden break in the traffic, it's a miracle like the parting of the waters.

Actually, (my sister is a traffic engineer) that's not a "miracle". Those breaks have names and very smart people study how and why they happen. 
But as usual religionists see anything they can't explain as a miracle or the work of the gods.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 10:34 am (This post was last modified: September 4, 2023 at 10:42 am by Bucky Ball.)
(August 20, 2023 at 9:43 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I doubt that anyone can guarantee we're in charge of the other 5, either.  If 5% is the optimistic scenario......

Agree. 
In making a decision today one is totally constrained by the neurological electrical patterns already established in the brain. 
One can decide (perhaps using a "rarely used" pattern) to change a behavior pattern and work on that. That is a possibility ... seems to me.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 11:06 am
(September 4, 2023 at 10:34 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(August 20, 2023 at 9:43 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I doubt that anyone can guarantee we're in charge of the other 5, either.  If 5% is the optimistic scenario......

Agree. 
In making a decision today one is totally constrained by the neurological electrical patterns already established in the brain. 
One can decide (perhaps using a "rarely used" pattern) to change a behavior pattern and work on that. That is a possibility ... seems to me.

Free will is a strange belief. People intuitively believe that they act upon the facts and already existing mental content. So where would freedom come in?
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 11:45 am
Freedom comes from the far off lands of imagination and fairytales, where my actions if go admirable, then it is the holy power. If my actions are malevolent, then it is free will, which satan of course controls.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 12:14 pm
free will is the mental equivalent of the elevator’s door close button, or the steering wheel to amuse the young child in the stroller. it creates satisfying perception of mastery without actually being connected to anything.
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RE: Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.
September 4, 2023 at 12:29 pm
(September 4, 2023 at 12:14 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: free will is the mental equivalent of the elevator’s door close button,  or the steering wheel to amuse the young child in the stroller.   it creates satisfying perception of mastery without actually being connected to anything.

Free will solves a number of problems that crop up for believers:

Q. If God is all-powerful and all-good, why does he let evil things happen?

A. The evil-doers must exercise free will when they do evil, otherwise God would be unjust to punish them.

Q. Okay, but what about natural disasters?  Does God give the Earth free will to do those things to us?

A. God allows evil things to happen to test if we still freely accept His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ as our Personal Lord and Savior even when times are bad.

Q. Isn't God all-knowing?  Why the test?  Why not just look into our minds and read our faithfulness right off the dial?

A. God has free will also, and that is the mysterious way he chose to deal with us.
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