It sounds like FF is just a hypocrite. He wants his worldview to be respected but doesn't feel obliged to grant others the same respect. And while he blames his own choices on his lack of free will, he holds others morally responsible for the things they choose.

I'd be a hypocrite only if I viewed all WVs the same. But I don't.

For example, it isn't hypocritical to not want the views of pedophiles enacted in society.

As for freewill, I don't thinknit exists, so that applies equally to all.

I am totally ethnocentric, and openly so, in that I feel/think some things are more conducive to civilisational progress than others. Science is better than superstition, law is better than anarchy, non-rape better than rape. You may see things differently, that's expected. I only choose to fight for what I hold to be true. I expect others will do the same. Its not hypocritical to think one's opinion the best.

(August 29, 2023 at 4:34 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: I'd be a hypocrite only if I viewed all WVs the same.  But I don't.

For example, it isn't hypocritical to not want the views of pedophiles enacted in society.

As for freewill, I don't thinknit exists, so that applies equally to all.

I am totally ethnocentric, and openly so, in that I feel/think some things are more conducive to civilisational progress than others.  Science is better than superstition, law is better than anarchy, non-rape better than rape.  You may see things differently, that's expected.  I only choose to fight for what I hold to be true.  I expect others will do the same.  Its not hypocritical to think one's opinion the best.

Be very careful. You could get caught in your bike chain, what with all that backpedaling.

Boru

(August 29, 2023 at 12:40 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: But orthodox Jews do try and advocate for positions on gay marriage, abortion, religious schooling, and Israel.

And maybe in places like France to be allowed to wear the kippur in state schools.  

And they would be against any move to classify circumcision as genital mutilation.  Or the banning of kosher meat under animal rights regulation.

Their religious values influence their voting and advocacy.  And look at the power Judiasm has in Israeli politics (and therefore international politics).

It would be better if no ones political opinions was swayed by religion at all.

(Bold mine)

What if someone’s religion informed them that it was best for government to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and care for the sick. Would you want them to vote that way?

Boru

Weird, I dont see any backpeddling.

I believe my view is right, all others wrong. Where is the hypocrisy?

(August 29, 2023 at 5:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 29, 2023 at 12:40 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: But orthodox Jews do try and advocate for positions on gay marriage, abortion, religious schooling, and Israel.

And maybe in places like France to be allowed to wear the kippur in state schools.  

And they would be against any move to classify circumcision as genital mutilation.  Or the banning of kosher meat under animal rights regulation.

Their religious values influence their voting and advocacy.  And look at the power Judiasm has in Israeli politics (and therefore international politics).

It would be better if no ones political opinions was swayed by religion at all.

(Bold mine)

What if someone’s religion informed them that it was best for government to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and care for the sick. Would you want them to vote that way?

Boru

Not on that basis, no. I'd rather they only voted if such a view was informed by reason.

(August 29, 2023 at 5:01 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Weird, I dont see any backpeddling.

I believe my view is right, all others wrong.  Where is the hypocrisy?

I didn’t call you a hypocrite.

Boru

Where have I backpedled? I think I've been consistent throughout. Whatever I believe at any time is what I think correct. How is it possible to even backpedle with such a view?