(August 12, 2023 at 7:25 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Thanks again for pointing out the use of those words! We have a skeleton Staff these days, so we appreciate all the help we can get.

Yeah, you need it.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:13 am)Data Wrote:

(August 12, 2023 at 3:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: I'm glad there's a strict policy on such things here.  I've been on many forums where there wasn't and it quickly becomes messy, and ends up doing harm (I think).

Nonsense! What a fragile eggshell mind people have evolved into.

You're a Holocaust-denier. Of course you'd object to slurs being forbidden.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:13 am)Data Wrote:

(August 12, 2023 at 3:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: I'm glad there's a strict policy on such things here.  I've been on many forums where there wasn't and it quickly becomes messy, and ends up doing harm (I think).

Nonsense! What a fragile eggshell mind people have evolved into.

It's not so much about the individual emotional distress the use of hatespeech causes, as the cumulative social effect of allowing free reign to use slurs, debunked studies, inflammatory rhetoric, hatespeech etc. on groups already experiencing increased danger, threat, political oppression, social ostracisation, health impacts and so on.

You using slurs against a trans person may or may not cause that particular person distress. But a forum allowing free for all use of transphobic hatespeech will likely contribute to an atmosphere that pushes transfolks out of the space and also contribute to their risks, harm and oppression in the wider culture in RL.

In short, it does more harm than good and has little to do with fragility.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:20 am)Data Wrote: Hear! Here! I second that. 

What if you happen to be a queer, a fag, a gaymer, or any of the plethora of delightful terms we have come to know and love? Is that going to upset the crybabies into a fetal position, thus reducing their inability to function in a "normal" capacity in life and the forum? Is there no end to it?

Dude, you are such an Edgelord. How can you live with al that bad-assery flowing through your veins?

(September 21, 2023 at 10:32 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:

(September 21, 2023 at 10:13 am)Data Wrote: Nonsense! What a fragile eggshell mind people have evolved into.

It's not so much about the individual emotional distress the use of hatespeech causes, as rhetoric cumulative social effect of allowing free reign to use slurs, debunked studies, inflammatory rhetoric, hatespeech etc. on groups already experiencing increased danger, threat, political oppression, social ostracisation, health impacts and so on.

You using slurs against a trans person may or may not cause that particular person distress.  But a forum allowing free for all use of transphobic hatespeech will likely contribute to an atmosphere that pushes transfolks out of the space and also contribute to their risks, harm and oppression in the wider culture in RL.  

In short, it does more harm than good and has little to do with fragility.

That's exactly what this cunt wants, the normalization of hate so that bigots need not skulk and hide in dark corners like the cockroaches they are.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:32 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: It's not so much about the individual emotional distress the use of hatespeech causes, as rhetoric cumulative social effect of allowing free reign to use slurs, debunked studies, inflammatory rhetoric, hatespeech etc. on groups already experiencing increased danger, threat, political oppression, social ostracisation, health impacts and so on.

Bullshit! I'm one of those people. In fact, I'm probably more than one. I'm no victim. You do more harm in several ways than the ones you claim are harmful. And worse, you do it for yourself.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:32 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: You using slurs against a trans person may or may not cause that particular person distress.  But a forum allowing free for all use of transphobic hatespeech will likely contribute to an atmosphere that pushes transfolks out of the space and also contribute to their risks, harm and oppression in the wider culture in RL.  

In short, it does more harm than good and has little to do with fragility.

Uh . . . did you just flip? It does more harm than good to pander to victimhood for one's own satisfaction?

If that's what you're saying I agree. This is just a stupid fad. You and I well know that anyone who harbors any secrets aren't going to tell them on a forum, especially one that is likely to ostracize them for it, unless, and I want to make this absolutely clear, unless they don't care what narrow minded people think about them and they are strong enough to face it and be themselves.

In the gay sub-cultures I used frequent we used those "derogatory" terms far more often than even the most homophobic populace. It's just nonsense. And though I don't typically use those slurs I sure as hell don't need protection from them.

@Thumpalumpacus
Although you are on my ignore list, on this topic I read your response because you 'kudosed' my post. And it seems we are in agreement about not wanting a hatespeech free for all. Thanks.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:40 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That's exactly what this cunt wants, the normalization of hate so that bigots need not skulk and hide in dark corners like the cockroaches they are.

No I want phony narrow minded people like you to stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone else by virtue signaling for your own self gratification and attention. In short, I want you to grow a central nervous system.

@Data
We disagree.
I used to be a freespeech fundamentalist. Over time I changed my view. I came to see that it made things worse rather than better.

It's one thing to have friends with established relationships use whatever language they want with each other, it's a whole other thing for hatespeech and false hate information to be used on a public forum.

Serious discussion on any topic can be had under careful supervision, in my opinion. Serious discussion doesn't require the use of slurs and hate rhetoric. The free exchange of ideas isn't really impeded, then. But vulnerable people are given more protection and rude behaviours are forced more out of the public sphere.

It is irrelevant that you are 'more than one of those kind of people'. Or that you perceive yourself as 'no victim'. That victims do exist is just a fact. That hatespeech makes more is, I believe, true. And many here belong to all kinds of minorities, myself included. It doesn't matter.

(September 21, 2023 at 10:53 am)Data Wrote:

(September 21, 2023 at 10:40 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That's exactly what this cunt wants, the normalization of hate so that bigots need not skulk and hide in dark corners like the cockroaches they are.

No I want phony narrow minded people like you to stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone else by virtue signaling for your own self gratification and attention. In short, I want you to grow a central nervous system.

Listen, If you wanna be racist, just say so.

It's ok.  FSM still loves you. Just not as much now.