(October 10, 2023 at 1:03 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

(October 10, 2023 at 8:12 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Which is more viable: a one-state Israel solution, or a two-state Israel + Palestine solution?

Accept Israel doesn't want two states it wants Israeli and a puppet state called Palestine a state that has no real power and does whatever Israeli says.This is not to say Hamas desires anything better. We have two shitty regimes who perpetuate a ridiculous conflict based on irrational nonsense.

A fair remark.

The truth about Hamas is that they are "Muslim Brotherhood" -with the same doctrine of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Tunisia, and more regions.

Muslim Brotherhood parties differ according to country; for example they are pure shit in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, but they are extremely effective in Turkey -Erdogan took his country to the NATO itself-. Erdogan is Muslim Brotherhood; the Turkish bransh.

I don't know how Hamas will fair if they ruled Palestine, but I know for certain that Israel is a backward state that even smart native Jews in it want to escape it.

I think I know where the severe extremism comes from inside the Israeli government: it's from Netanyahu and his party. They are right wing, and don't want to lose the voices of the "rightist extremists" inside Israel; i.e the extreme religious Jews.

The disaster is that so many Israelies support their government, no matter who leads it. They will protest against Netanyahu, but they will never agree to free Gaza for example, or treat Palestinians like human beings. The leader must be a Jew, stepping on the necks of native Arabs -Muslim and Christian-.

Hamas does treat Jews like human beings though; they are not ISIS.

While I condemn the alteration of  quotes this doesn't make it much better.

They may have been warned.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-inte...thing-big/

That's honestly not a great shock as Hamas's track record of successful coordinated attacks is virtually non-existent so the idea they could pull something like this off is hard to believe. That said the more conspiracy-minded part of me can think up darker motives.

(October 10, 2023 at 5:20 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: That's honestly not a great shock as Hamas's track record of successful coordinated attacks is virtually non-existent so the idea they could pull something like this off is hard to believe. That said the more conspiracy-minded part of me can think up darker motives.

Everybody hates Israel.
And that hate never left Muslims TBH, and the more its government does more crimes the more the hate grows.

Their crimes united Lebanese and Palestinians, Sunnies and Shiites, Yemenies and Iraqies.
Neo-Nazi deeds and fascist HItler tactics are so out of context, time, age and humanity.

Nobody needs to start this; it's rotten fruits falling from the tree.

And nobody to blame but Israel that wasted so much time killing, instead of building bridges with the natives.
It's like the arrogant kid in school who got drunk with the bullies and thought he is superman.

(October 10, 2023 at 5:58 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 10, 2023 at 5:20 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: That's honestly not a great shock as Hamas's track record of successful coordinated attacks is virtually non-existent so the idea they could pull something like this off is hard to believe. That said the more conspiracy-minded part of me can think up darker motives.

Everybody hates Israel.
And that hate never left Muslims TBH, and the more its government does more crimes the more the hate grows.

Their crimes united Lebanese and Palestinians, Sunnies and Shiites, Yemenies and Iraqies.
Neo-Nazi deeds and fascist HItler tactics are so out of context, time, age and humanity.

Nobody needs to start this; it's rotten fruits falling from the tree.

LOL. 
Then we have 9/11 and all your suicide bombings and beheadings. 
Speaking of rotten fruits from the tree.
You have more than your share.

(October 10, 2023 at 6:07 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 10, 2023 at 5:58 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Everybody hates Israel.
And that hate never left Muslims TBH, and the more its government does more crimes the more the hate grows.

Their crimes united Lebanese and Palestinians, Sunnies and Shiites, Yemenies and Iraqies.
Neo-Nazi deeds and fascist HItler tactics are so out of context, time, age and humanity.

Nobody needs to start this; it's rotten fruits falling from the tree.

LOL. 
Then we have 9/11 and all your suicide bombings and beheadings. 
Speaking of rotten fruits from the tree.
You have more than your share.

Didn't the CIA proxy -Al-Qaeda- fall with no return ?
Their popularity is 0, and even the most extreme Muslim questions their deeds.


Real Muslims are builders of empires; people like Turkey's Erdogan.

Last thing though..9/11 has inside job written on its forehead. That event was the justification for Bush's crusade to rob the M.E out of its oil; remember ?

What is Hamas? What to know about the group behind the deadly terror attack in Israel

NBC

Quote:Hamas is a militant group that carried out the worst terrorist attack in Israel in decades on Saturday, killing 900 people and taking captive dozens of soldiers and civilians. The group, which is currently led by Ismail Haniyeh, is also one of the two major political organization in the Palestinian territories. Its main rival is Fatah, which is seen as more secular and moderate and controls the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

(October 10, 2023 at 6:24 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: What is Hamas? What to know about the group behind the deadly terror attack in Israel

NBC

Quote:Hamas is a militant group that carried out the worst terrorist attack in Israel in decades on Saturday, killing 900 people and taking captive dozens of soldiers and civilians. The group, which is currently led by Ismail Haniyeh, is also one of the two major political organization in the Palestinian territories. Its main rival is Fatah, which is seen as more secular and moderate and controls the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

You realize that Israel have been bombing 2 Million people in Gaza for 20 years, in one of the most dense places in the world ?

Listen to a Doctor's accounts about the sadistic bombs Israel is using against the civilians of Gaza:






In Arabic, DIME bombs are nicknamed "قاطعات الارجل" / "Legs cutters" because they mostly blow the lower limbs of victims off, tearing flesh in a brutal way.

Quote:Real Muslims are builders of empires; people like Turkey's Erdogan.

Tell that to all the Syrians the Turks butchered 

Your double standard is amazing Turkey is every bit as immoral as Israeli