(October 10, 2023 at 7:15 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:Real Muslims are builders of empires; people like Turkey's Erdogan.

Tell that to all the Syrians the Turks butchered 

Your double standard is amazing Turkey is every bit as immoral as Israeli

In that place, the real butcher who dwarfs Israel in terms of immorality and sadistic Nazi deeds is "Bashar Al Assad", that monster used nerve gas and Chemical weapons against children even (the photos are online), all Arab dictators are like him or even worse, the Middle East is a big garbage in terms of governments.

It baffles me though to see foreign countries support governments of marauder psychopaths.

If I had to choose sides, I would actually side with neither the Palestinians/Hamas and Israel. I mean, I am not on the side of a group from Palestine who made an act of terror that started this in the first place, but Israel has been known for doing bad things, apparently, being bad to the Palestinians and being bad overall. It does not help that the leader of Israel is...well, you know.

Feel free to tell me if I am missing anything. Still, I think Hamas made things worse for Palestine in different ways, making them look bad when not all the people there were actually involved in what happened in Israel not to long ago. Still, I dare say it is freaking madness that this is all happening, with actions from both sides, historically and present time, being bad.

(October 10, 2023 at 7:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: If I had to choose sides, I would actually side with neither the Palestinians/Hamas and Israel. I mean, I am not on the side of a group from Palestine who made an act of terror that started this in the first place, but Israel has been known for doing bad things, apparently, being bad to the Palestinians and being bad overall. It does not help that the leader of Israel is...well, you know.

Feel free to tell me if I am missing anything. Still, I think Hamas made things worse for Palestine in different ways, making them look bad when not all the people there were actually involved in what happened in Israel not to long ago. Still, I dare say it is freaking madness that this is all happening, with actions from both sides, historically and present time, being bad.

Agree. This was extraordinarily self-destructive. 
Amazing they had no one who could stand up and say "no, we're not doing this".

(October 10, 2023 at 7:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: If I had to choose sides, I would actually side with neither the Palestinians/Hamas and Israel. I mean, I am not on the side of a group from Palestine who made an act of terror that started this in the first place, but Israel has been known for doing bad things, apparently, being bad to the Palestinians and being bad overall. It does not help that the leader of Israel is...well, you know.

Feel free to tell me if I am missing anything. Still, I think Hamas made things worse for Palestine in different ways, making them look bad when not all the people there were actually involved in what happened in Israel not to long ago. Still, I dare say it is freaking madness that this is all happening, with actions from both sides, historically and present time, being bad.

I always trace it the beginning: there was no "Israel" in the past, Israel was manufactured by Britain after WW1 on top of Palestinian lands !

Israelies are invaders from the get go, and Palestinians are the natives. That's history speaking, not me.

It's evil, wrong and very wicked to lock 2 Million natives inside a concentration camp and keep bombing them for 20 straight years.

If you lock somebody in a tiny place for years and keep beating them, you're creating an eternal enemy.

(October 10, 2023 at 7:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 10, 2023 at 7:15 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Tell that to all the Syrians the Turks butchered 

Your double standard is amazing Turkey is every bit as immoral as Israeli

In that place, the real butcher who dwarfs Israel in terms of immorality and sadistic Nazi deeds is "Bashar Al Assad", that monster used nerve gas and Chemical weapons against children even (the photos are online), all Arab dictators are like him or even worse, the Middle East is a big garbage in terms of governments.

It baffles me though to see foreign countries support governments of marauder psychopaths.

Again Turkey's army commited numerous war crimes

Quote:there was no "Israel" in the past, 

The entire field of archeology says you are wrong. Now whether that gives them any right to the land is another question.

(October 10, 2023 at 7:58 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:there was no "Israel" in the past, 

The entire field of archeology says you are wrong. Now whether that gives them any right to the land is another question.

The only thing I think could say that...is that in high school, my teacher said something, possibly in the Bible (I can't remember) about god himself giving the Israelis the land before. Now, I'd say that is still no excuse for Israelis to take over the Palestinians' country like they did, since god does not even exist for that matter.

But however it actually was, if it is due to religion, then this is another case of religion being a cause of war. (Religion is one of the main causes of war, the other, or another being power, something I also learned in high school)

(October 10, 2023 at 7:51 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 10, 2023 at 7:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: If I had to choose sides, I would actually side with neither the Palestinians/Hamas and Israel. I mean, I am not on the side of a group from Palestine who made an act of terror that started this in the first place, but Israel has been known for doing bad things, apparently, being bad to the Palestinians and being bad overall. It does not help that the leader of Israel is...well, you know.

Feel free to tell me if I am missing anything. Still, I think Hamas made things worse for Palestine in different ways, making them look bad when not all the people there were actually involved in what happened in Israel not to long ago. Still, I dare say it is freaking madness that this is all happening, with actions from both sides, historically and present time, being bad.

I always trace it the beginning: there was no "Israel" in the past, Israel was manufactured by Britain after WW1 on top of Palestinian lands

The area of the West Bank north of Jerusalem was Samaria, the northern kingdom of the Israelite federation of tribes.  Wikipedia sez, "The earliest mention is from the Kurkh stela of c.853 BCE, when Shalmaneser III mentions "Ahab the Israelite", plus the denominative for "land", and his ten thousand troops."

(October 10, 2023 at 7:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: If I had to choose sides, I would actually side with neither the Palestinians/Hamas and Israel. I mean, I am not on the side of a group from Palestine who made an act of terror that started this in the first place, but Israel has been known for doing bad things, apparently, being bad to the Palestinians and being bad overall. It does not help that the leader of Israel is...well, you know.

Feel free to tell me if I am missing anything. Still, I think Hamas made things worse for Palestine in different ways, making them look bad when not all the people there were actually involved in what happened in Israel not to long ago. Still, I dare say it is freaking madness that this is all happening, with actions from both sides, historically and present time, being bad.

I'd support the first nation to do something analogous to this to the entire Israel/Palestine area and tell everyone there "This is Why We Can't Have Nice Things."





Then again, I suspect that even laying waste to both sides wouldn't teach either side anything.

(October 10, 2023 at 9:07 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(October 10, 2023 at 7:38 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: If I had to choose sides, I would actually side with neither the Palestinians/Hamas and Israel. I mean, I am not on the side of a group from Palestine who made an act of terror that started this in the first place, but Israel has been known for doing bad things, apparently, being bad to the Palestinians and being bad overall. It does not help that the leader of Israel is...well, you know.

Feel free to tell me if I am missing anything. Still, I think Hamas made things worse for Palestine in different ways, making them look bad when not all the people there were actually involved in what happened in Israel not to long ago. Still, I dare say it is freaking madness that this is all happening, with actions from both sides, historically and present time, being bad.

I'd support the first nation to do something analogous to this to the entire Israel/Palestine area and tell everyone there "This is Why We Can't Have Nice Things."





Then again, I suspect that even laying waste to both sides wouldn't teach either side anything.

Doesn't doing something like that (laying waste to other nations) ever teach people anything?

Not trying to be mean, but yeah, violence never really solves things. In fact, it can, and does make things worse.

I always thought people should be more civil and social about things. It may take a while to get things done, but it is far better than violence. Still, it is a shame people don't seem to do that well.