No. As when I've clarified in other posts, I still use the colloquial way of talking about choice even though if asked for clarification, as now, I will explain that I mean it in the subjective experience of choice. English does not have an easy way to talk about things (especially choices and ethics) without a language that assumes libertarian freewill and moral realism, and constantly being clear about that would be exhausting.

(October 30, 2023 at 10:07 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: No.  As when I've clarified in other posts, I still use the colloquial way of talking about choice even though if asked for clarification, as now, I will explain that I mean it in the subjective experience of choice.  English does not have an easy way to talk about things (especially choices and ethics) without a language that assumes libertarian freewill and moral realism, and constantly being clear about that would be exhausting.

So if you have someone on Ignore, and you click on their post to read it anyway, that's not a choice? You didn't choose to do that? Someone else made you do it?

This thread is turning out to be really queer. 

That's a 'what' and not a 'who'.

(October 30, 2023 at 10:11 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(October 30, 2023 at 10:07 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: No.  As when I've clarified in other posts, I still use the colloquial way of talking about choice even though if asked for clarification, as now, I will explain that I mean it in the subjective experience of choice.  English does not have an easy way to talk about things (especially choices and ethics) without a language that assumes libertarian freewill and moral realism, and constantly being clear about that would be exhausting.

So if you have someone on Ignore, and you click on their post to read it anyway, that's not a choice? You didn't choose to do that? Someone else made you do it?

It's not a choice in the sense that I couldn't have done otherwise and that every result is caused, and therefore predetermined, by a prior state of affairs. I experience it as a choice subjectively, but is an illusion created by my brain. At least, that's what I believe is most likely the nature of reality given what I know of the world.

(October 30, 2023 at 10:12 am)brewer Wrote: This thread is turning out to be really queer. 

That's a 'what' and not a 'who'.

Lol, yes. Not intentionally.
Please bring it back to the OP 😆

^But don't put your thoughts unless they are in line with the OP.

Agreements only are desired.

(October 30, 2023 at 10:21 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:

(October 30, 2023 at 10:11 am)Ahriman Wrote: So if you have someone on Ignore, and you click on their post to read it anyway, that's not a choice? You didn't choose to do that? Someone else made you do it?

It's not a choice in the sense that I couldn't have done otherwise and that every result is caused, and therefore predetermined, by a prior state of affairs.  I experience it as a choice subjectively, but is an illusion created by my brain.  At least, that's what I believe is most likely the nature of reality given what I know of the world.

Well, you're wrong about that. But whatever.

OK. That's something we disagree upon.

But what about your opinion on who/what belongs under the LGBTQ+ umbrella? Now that I have clarified what I mean, do you have any thoughts on that issue?

(October 30, 2023 at 10:33 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: OK.  That's something we disagree upon.  

But what about your opinion on who/what belongs under the LGBTQ+ umbrella?  Now that I have clarified what I mean, do you have any thoughts on that issue?

Lesbians, gay people, bisexuals, transgender, not sure what else. Anything that isn't heteronormative.

(October 30, 2023 at 10:39 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(October 30, 2023 at 10:33 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: OK.  That's something we disagree upon.  

But what about your opinion on who/what belongs under the LGBTQ+ umbrella?  Now that I have clarified what I mean, do you have any thoughts on that issue?

Lesbians, gay people, bisexuals, transgender, not sure what else. Anything that isn't heteronormative.

Cool.

Does heteronormative, in your opinion, include allosexuality (so asexuals are lgbtq+)?
What about non-binary genders?
What about objectum/ficto- sexuality?
What about polyamory?
What about serious fetishism?