While Riyadh + IRI are showing off as “protectors of Muslims” Gazans are rebelling against their own theocratic Regime that they are accusing of collaborating with Israel:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gazans-turn-h...46775.html
 
(The headscarf is such a wonderful inversion but it’s not wonderful when people are forced to live on biscuits and dirty water )

Fun Fact 

Though countless ignorant people insist "from the river to the sea " is by default antisemitic. While  everyone ignores the Likud party used to believe the same thing 

Quote:" Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

Fun Fact 

German Zionist Activists collaberated with the Nazis 

(November 17, 2023 at 5:48 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Fun Fact 

Though countless ignorant people insist "from the river to the sea " is by default antisemitic. While  everyone ignores the Likud party used to believe the same thing 

Quote:" Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

We need to normalize being pissed off at Israel.

Boru

I think we are slowly reaching a point when a critical mass of people are starting to see the real issue. I found this interview on CNN. A Jewish (transsexual) rabbi is basically saying the things I am saying since the beginning of the conflict:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cannot-bomb-w...34290.html
 
   The IDF is has to have already done a lot of damage on Hamas infrastructure (whatever infrastructure that would be to begin with). The next logical step should be a ceasefire followed by the emptying by Israel of all occupied areas and the recognition of the Palestinian state.
 
    Still, there are some events that people will not forget that easily (Like the savage display of the body of the teenager called Shani Louk in the street for instance). So this anger will need to find some sort of expression too. Yet if you want a solution. I don’t think there is one other than the mutual recognition of the rights of both people in this moment.

(November 17, 2023 at 5:52 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 17, 2023 at 5:48 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Fun Fact 

Though countless ignorant people insist "from the river to the sea " is by default antisemitic. While  everyone ignores the Likud party used to believe the same thing 

We need to normalize being pissed off at Israel.

Boru

If you want to go after Bibi, I agree, I don't like him, he is corrupt. If you want to criticize the continued land grabs by their far right right wing Jews, I also agree. But I will never advocate targeting their entire population. Israelis are like Americans right now, held hostage by a minority extreme right wing party. 

Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are religious terrorists backed by Iran. Both follow the extreme interpretations of Sharia law and the Hadiths. Even if Israel did not exist Hamas would want the deaths of any infidel. Hamas does not want to protect religious or political pluralism. Hamas is hijacking Palestine the way Bibi has hijacked Israel the way Trump has hijacked America.

(November 17, 2023 at 5:48 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Fun Fact 

Though countless ignorant people insist "from the river to the sea " is by default antisemitic. While  everyone ignores the Likud party used to believe the same thing 

Quote:" Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

This is neither fact nor fun. The general idea of driving people into the sea precedes Hamas and Likud. It was intended by Israel's neighbours in their attacks.

(November 17, 2023 at 5:52 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Fun Fact 

German Zionist Activists collaberated with the Nazis 

This is not really fact and certainly not fun. I think in a case like this, you need to cite specifics rather than just smear. What I think you mean is that some Zionists did try to create an agreement with regards to a new national home for Jews. This is rather different from the usual usage of the word 'collaborate' in wartime, which implies treachery.

(November 21, 2023 at 9:37 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 17, 2023 at 5:52 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: We need to normalize being pissed off at Israel.

Boru

If you want to go after Bibi, I agree, I don't like him, he is corrupt. If you want to criticize the continued land grabs by their far right right wing Jews, I also agree. But I will never advocate targeting their entire population. Israelis are like Americans right now, held hostage by a minority extreme right wing party. 

Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are religious terrorists backed by Iran. Both follow the extreme interpretations of Sharia law and the Hadiths. Even if Israel did not exist Hamas would want the deaths of any infidel. Hamas does not want to protect religious or political pluralism. Hamas is hijacking Palestine the way Bibi has hijacked Israel the way Trump has hijacked America.

Most people would understand to ‘being pissed off at Israel’ refers to the Israeli government and its actions, not the entire population of Israel.I’m so terribly, terribly sorry that I wasn’t able to dumb it down enough for you.

Boru