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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 1:10 pm
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(December 21, 2011 at 12:52 pm)amkerman Wrote: Exactly Rhizomorph. Forces in the universe interact to create everything, nothing can exist if those forces don't exist. A belief that things do exist without a belief that the forces of the universe are real is the epitome of blind faith.
Why must I have a working knowledge of quantum physics in order to not have 'blind faith' that the universe exists for real?
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm
no downbeat I am not claiming you need a working knowledge of anything to believe anything. any belief that things actually exist is completely logical and rational. If one believes, however, that consciousness is not a property of the universe it requires blind faith to believe that the things we observe and perceive through our consciousness, such as the laws of quantum physics, are.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 1:30 pm
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No it doesn't, and it's been explained to you why it doesn't for pages on end.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 1:33 pm
He's like a rechargeable, battery-powered robot. As the day draws on and he wears out, he seems about to take more natural steps; then, after a night on the charger, WOOM, back into weird, wacky mode!
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 1:56 pm
(December 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm)amkerman Wrote: no downbeat I am not claiming you need a working knowledge of anything to believe anything. any belief that things actually exist is completely logical and rational. If one believes, however, that consciousness is not a property of the universe it requires blind faith to believe that the things we observe and perceive through our consciousness, such as the laws of quantum physics, are.
You again make baseless claims and go TA DA.
Conciousness is the result of evolution and (probably), abiogenesis.
No god required.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 2:54 pm
The claims I made have been expounded upon ad-nosium in previous posts. I guess I could retype my argument in its entirety every time someone stated I was making a baseless claim but it would be nothing but an exercize in futility. It seems we may be approaching that point anyways, in fact there is evidence that I burned that bridge with most of you pages ago.
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 3:00 pm
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2011 at 3:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No bridge has been burnt (and any bridge that has been burnt can be rebuilt). I'm not sure what you mean about your claims being expounded upon. If you mean they've received harsh treatment and shown to be empty, yes. If you're insinuating that you've ever explained how you went from one sentence to the next, then no.
You could retype your argument, or you could demonstrate the basis for your claims. You seem to be unwilling or unable to do either.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Wait no I get it now:
1. I think
2. Therefore the universe
3. ergo God
Suck it atheists.
QED mutherfuckers!
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm
(December 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Wait no I get it now:
1. I think
2. Therefore the universe
3. ergo God
Suck it atheists.
QED mutherfuckers!
Cogito Ergo Deus?
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RE: Argument against atheism
December 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm
(December 21, 2011 at 12:27 pm)Darwinning Wrote: (December 21, 2011 at 12:15 pm)amkerman Wrote: In this view the only thing you can be confident in is that you have subjectively experience these things, not that they are objectively real.
True. Time to make some damn assumptions on blind faith and get on with living life. Nothing wrong with living in a world that is probable, but not provable.
I'm not probable mate, I'm provable.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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