(December 18, 2024 at 7:17 am)Sheldon Wrote:

(December 18, 2024 at 5:28 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This sort of thing is likely to get you beaten senseless (metaphorically speaking) by a Nominalist. God botherers glommed on to Platonic Forms as a convenient was to claim that things which don't exist actually do. You ignorant wretch.

Boru

Oh feck, @Belaqua's gonna love that...

Bel won’t see it. Not that I care.

Boru

Quote:No - He is not called the "Living God" for no reason, though what life would mean for Him would approach more the Platonian Idealism "form" than the materialistic interpretation of it we as humans are by default locked into.

Make believe then

(December 18, 2024 at 11:18 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:No - He is not called the "Living God" for no reason, though what life would mean for Him would approach more the Platonian Idealism "form" than the materialistic interpretation of it we as humans are by default locked into.

Make believe then

Yup. If God is real in the sense that it exists as a Platonic Form, there is no valid reason to disbelieve in faeries, pixies, Daleks, unicorns, giants, Vulcans, direct democracy, or honest lawyers.

Boru

(December 18, 2024 at 7:35 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(December 18, 2024 at 4:43 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: No - He is not called the "Living God" for no reason, though what life would mean for Him would approach more the Platonian Idealism "form" than the materialistic interpretation of it we as humans are by default locked into.

How did your godthing come to exist and become living?

1. He didn't "come to exist" but rather has always been.

2 A. He became "living" (in a materialistic sense) when he was conceived within Myriam by the Holy Spirit and born of flesh and blood.
   B. He always was "living" in the sense that He *is* life - as the wellspring which pours itself out to give life and breathes it's life into others must itself be living.

(December 18, 2024 at 11:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 18, 2024 at 11:18 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Make believe then

Yup. If God is real in the sense that it exists as a Platonic Form, there is no valid reason to disbelieve in faeries, pixies, Daleks, unicorns, giants, Vulcans, direct democracy, or honest lawyers.

Boru

If the materialistic interpretation is real you are just choosing to believe that every random stimuli that darts into your eyes, sends shivers down the neurons, and every chemical reaction in your body is "real."

That is truly a world of make believe if I have ever heard of one - I cant even confirm it exists outside of myself, and I cant trust myself to confirm it because I am told that my mind is not "mine" but rather just chemicals, natural reactions and stimuli reacting in a variety of ways.

Gotta love it when theists confuse imaginative concepts for reality.

I am sure that the Apologist's Handbook is right there for WTM to get his oh so compelling information.

Quote:If the materialistic interpretation is real you are just choosing to believe that every random stimuli that darts into your eyes, sends shivers down the neurons, and every chemical reaction in your body is "real."

That is truly a world of make believe if I have ever heard of one - I cant even confirm it exists outside of myself, and I cant trust myself to confirm it because I am told that my mind is not "mine" but rather just chemicals, natural reactions and stimuli reacting in a variety of ways.

So even more make believe

Quote:1. He didn't "come to exist" but rather has always been.

2 A. He became "living" (in a materialistic sense) when he was conceived within Myriam by the Holy Spirit and born of flesh and blood.
   B. He always was "living" in the sense that He *is* life - as the wellspring which pours itself out to give life and breathes it's life into others must itself be living.

Yup lots of make believe and fantasy

(December 18, 2024 at 1:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(December 18, 2024 at 7:35 am)h4ym4n Wrote: How did your godthing come to exist and become living?

1. He didn't "come to exist" but rather has always been.

2 A. He became "living" (in a materialistic sense) when he was conceived within Myriam by the Holy Spirit and born of flesh and blood.
   B. He always was "living" in the sense that He *is* life - as the wellspring which pours itself out to give life and breathes it's life into others must itself be living.

How do you know this?