(June 8, 2025 at 6:54 am)Sheldon Wrote:

(June 7, 2025 at 10:07 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: but, in the bible, who does God not love?

"those loving violence, my soul certainly hates"

The bible depicts a deity that indulges in, and encourages in its pets, indiscriminate violence, and murder, endorses slavery, and commits global genocide, to name but a few, luckily there isn't a shred of objective evidence any deity exists or is even possible, but the one depicted in the bible is  amoral, barbarically sadistic, and indifferently cruel megalomaniac. 

You're selling a product you can't demonstrate exists or is possible, and that product is morally repugnant anyway.

According to the Bible, God killed almost all of humanity in the flood.  He demonstrated the love of an exterminator for ants.

It's a good thing such a monster doesn't really exist.

(June 6, 2025 at 4:35 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Energy is (1) eternal, (2) omnipresent, (3) omnipotent, (4) consciousness.

3 nope
4 BS

(June 6, 2025 at 4:50 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: I corrected Christopher Langan's Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe. I have more inventions than most people. I also have most of the formal proofs of God.

Those three things suggest that I am one of the smartest people in the world.

nop

(June 6, 2025 at 5:07 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Do you know of things that things are made of besides energy?

matter, literally all of it. Matter is not "made of" energy, but equivalent. What you said is ambiguous, at best, indicating your lack of knowledge of wtf you are talking about.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:17 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote:

(June 6, 2025 at 4:53 pm)Alan V Wrote: Energy is not conscious, therefore energy is not God.

Does every cause involve energy?

Is energy self-causal?

Is self-causal a synonym for self-deterministic?

Is self-determinism consciousness?

Are you going to back up your silly claims or will you keep providing us with word salad and silly equivocations? While those arent quite the same, they are interchangable, just like energy and matter.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:32 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Actually, I believe (thanks to Christopher Langan) that the universe is self-deterministic.

Langan is full of shit, and himself, just like you. He is dispensing word salad, just like you.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:46 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: byw, I did prove that the universe is self-deterministic.

Nope

(June 6, 2025 at 5:48 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Christopher Langan, John Haglin, Baroch Spinoza, and Richard Emerson are experts that agree with me.

Please list Langans credential, other than being a bouncer.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:54 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Ron Wyatt discovered the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah. and Kent Hovind claimed Dinosaurs lived at the same time as man.

I proved Sodom and Gomorrah are evidence of God's very real interactions with man.

And I pointed out that the blood cells and blood vessels in Dinosaur bones is evidence that they are not millions of years old.

Wyatt is a crank and Hovind a con man (and wife beater). The only thing you proved is that you dont know wtf you are talking about while thinking you are the smartest person in the room.
Another completely valid interpretation is that you are just another pathetic, low effort transparent troll.

(June 6, 2025 at 5:58 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: (10) Fact; "energy exists"
(11) Fact; "every experiment ever constructed shows that everything is made of energy"
(12) (10,11) C; "monism exists"
(13) Fact; "every cause involves energy"
(14) (11,12,13) C; "energy is self-causal"
(15) Synonyms; "self-causal", "self-deterministic", and "teleological"
(16) (14,15,16) C; "energy is self-deterministic"

(10) Fact; You cant back up your claims
(11) Fact; You dont know wtf you are talking about
(12) (10,11) C; You are full of shit

(June 6, 2025 at 6:18 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: Was your computer created?

Will you stop to make logical fallacies, over and over?

(June 7, 2025 at 5:31 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: did they carbon date the blood?

No need of more evidence for your ignorance. We already have ample. Thanks!

(June 7, 2025 at 5:38 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: "God is love"

More word salad

(June 7, 2025 at 10:02 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: I don't have a proof for that yet, save the fact that atheists don't love everyone.

Even more BS. This time mind-reading flavoured.

(June 7, 2025 at 10:09 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: the only radiometric dating I know how to do is carbon dating...

I don't understand how to do the other dating methods... do you???

Thats bascially an admission to being a troll. Be careful, you might get banned if you keep being so lazy and incompetent. Where are all those trolls who know wtf they are doing? You are even too fucking stupid to troll properly. How sad is that!?

Sucks. I thought I was going to get to have a discussion with a pantheist and all we get is another magic book worshipper who doesn't know what word do.

Any takers on an over/under? I'll bet 10 days from today. Internet cookie of one's choice.

(June 8, 2025 at 7:34 pm)Fireball Wrote: Any takers on an over/under? I'll bet 10 days from today. Internet cookie of one's choice.

I’d take the under, but it wouldn’t be a fair bet.


Boru

I can halve that time for the right amount.  I never claimed to be against a worthwhile bribe, I mean, cause.  

(June 7, 2025 at 10:06 pm)Silver Wrote: Theists confuse obedience for love. Thus, they don't always love either.

I agree.

When God tells me to do something... I always question him... as to why, and if I can improve the commission.

I don't blindly obey God.

(June 7, 2025 at 10:22 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(June 7, 2025 at 10:09 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: the only radiometric dating I know how to do is carbon dating...

I don't understand how to do the other dating methods... do you???

 Then study more.

feel free to teach me or link to a site that actually teaches it

(June 7, 2025 at 10:53 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(June 7, 2025 at 5:38 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: so my argument is that if someone really knows God, then they actually love everyone (as I do), and since atheists don't know God they would only love a few at most; and this demonstrates a material implication that God is love.

No; all that proves is that you've bought into Paul's "God is love" myth and are now claiming that you love everyone because you believe that you know God.

I also don't see any value in this universal love that you claim you have.  Five parsecs wide and a nanometer deep.

I realized that I loved everyone from learning about Christ.

intending well-being for all is a fundamental need for mankind

(June 7, 2025 at 11:06 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(June 7, 2025 at 9:54 pm)SubtleVirtue Wrote: How do you contaminate the sample if its locked up in solid fossil?

What we should find if 'your' theory is correct, is that there would be zero carbon 14.

We should have the test done either way.

What part of "They want to but don't have anything like enough material" did you miss? If it was possible it would have been done. You can't carbon date individual cells. Nowhere near enough mass.

The fact that you think stuff is locked up in the fossil simply shows that you don't know what you're talking about. They had to dissolve the fossil to release the "blood cells".

the connective tissue found in the fossils are rather meaty and have lots of carbons