(January 10, 2012 at 3:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:her whole life is on that phone.

The thing is a half-inch wide cell phone is likely to have the train pass right over it with no damage. Once the train goes by THEN you pick it up.

The train might be the one she wants to be on.

Regardless, Min, she should have called security.

(January 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm)Napo Wrote: I actually couldn't give a flying fuck. Jumping onto a train track and getting whacked by a train is not unexpected don't care how you want to argue. Same as jumping out onto a road and getting hit by a car isn't 'unexpected'.

He met your conjecture with reasoning and you dismissed it.

Anything else you have to say past that is irrelevant as per your inability to discuss things.

A thought experiment:
You are waiting at a train station, minding your own business. There will be a train passing through the station at high speed (skipping it) and not in the direction your're interested in -- these trains are moving at 50 mph and blare their horns (estimated 7-10 seconds warning).

Suddenly a passerby trips near the tracks and her phone falls onto them and immediately (out of habit) bends over to pick it up. That action may cost roughly 10 seconds.

The point of this is to show, that even with margin of warning, actions that people do by habit can take longer than said margin, or, as they are ingrained as a habit, be executed anyways regardless of context.

I object to this whole thread because the victim is already dead. They already have paid the price for their carelessness (wouldn't call habitual behavior 'stupid' -- just careless). Any more bitching over what most likely amounted to casual or engrained carelessness is just short of pointless harping. Except, who you gonna lecture? The one who is already dead?

Pointless.

Also, by the definitions offered of what a fucking accident is, it's fairly accurate to call it such.

Suicide by accident is still an accident.

Unless you've evidence as to the contrary?

(January 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: NOBODY EXPECTS THE JUMPER!

Not as effective as the Spanish Inquisition.

You're not expecting the woman to jump.

Look, I'm not saying she wasn't stupid, but if she's like me then pretty much her whole life is on that phone. I would have called a security guard or someone to help me get it off the track, but she might have just panicked. That's why I'm saying there should be signs stating where you can get help. That's all.

Because when you are in a panic you stop to read signs?

If signs are around, one would hope it would get ingrained before that event.

Also, it would protect the train station from frivolous lawsuits relating to incidents like those - though England may have a much smaller incidence of them than we do. People are sue-happy here.

(January 10, 2012 at 4:45 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: If signs are around, one would hope it would get ingrained before that event.

Because tunnel-vision takes anything else into consideration except the goal, right?

(January 10, 2012 at 4:45 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Also, it would protect the train station from frivolous lawsuits relating to incidents like those - though England may have a much smaller incidence of them than we do. People are sue-happy here.

People get hit by the trains in the US all the time. You do not see a preponderance of lawsuits, so I ask, from where are you deriving your data points?

I'm sorry, my language wasn't broad enough - we do live in the country of "let's sue McDonald's for hot coffee spills and buses for slips", no?

(January 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm)Chuck Wrote: The train might be the one she wants to be on.

I didn't even think of that.

I must be stupid.

But what does that make the rest of the human race?

Right, let us not go there

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(January 10, 2012 at 5:41 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I'm sorry, my language wasn't broad enough - we do live in the country of "let's sue McDonald's for hot coffee spills and buses for slips", no?

We do indeed. Some people even have the gall to sue a Silicoid Empress for absorbing their phone into her skin.

Madness, I do declare war upon!

(January 10, 2012 at 5:41 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I'm sorry, my language wasn't broad enough - we do live in the country of "let's sue McDonald's for hot coffee spills and buses for slips", no?

Ever read the whole story on that McDonald's case?

Er...okay, if you're asking that, then I missed something. Send away, Min-my-love.