(January 22, 2012 at 5:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: By the way ...How is the furniture construction going?

You gotta be kidding. A guy that believes in a book that claims pi is 3 not once but twice builds furniture? well I suppose if he stays away from circles he might be ok but I wouldn't take a chance sitting in a chair he built.

(January 22, 2012 at 5:51 am)Phil Wrote:

(January 22, 2012 at 5:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: By the way ...How is the furniture construction going?

You gotta be kidding. A guy that believes in a book that claims pi is 3 not once but twice builds furniture? well I suppose if he stays away from circles he might be ok but I wouldn't take a chance sitting in a chair he built.

Yep he does ...What I am trying to get him to realise is that he doesn't need a god to do this...meh.

(January 22, 2012 at 5:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: By the way ...How is the furniture construction going?

Good, finishing up a night stand for my nephew and working on a table for my niece. It's round too, and yes I did have to do math with Pi, it has 101 small short groves cut around it's circumference. When did I say that Pi equaled 3. You never know you might find a chair I make to be quite comfortable. Hey, anyone interested in a fire proof coffin?

(January 22, 2012 at 5:51 am)Phil Wrote: A guy that believes in a book that claims pi is 3 not once but twice builds furniture?

(January 22, 2012 at 6:48 am)Godschild Wrote: When did I say that Pi equaled 3.

Reread my quote above Sherlock.

(January 22, 2012 at 4:24 am)apophenia Wrote: So, in other words, you have no argument.

Well, you just go on believing that. I've presented my arguments and I think they stand just fine on their own. You obviously don't think so and want me to go down the philoso-babble rabbit hole with you to a world of magic and imagination. I, on the other hand, don't want to waste my time talking about undiscovered hypothetical celestial tea pots or that it turns out we really are a brain in a jar somewhere.

I'm just a simple Kentucky boy who lives by common sense. Everything I've learned, observed and experienced in the universe tells me it's a pretty natural place and that science, not woo, seems the best way to understand it. Now if you've got some black swans or magic handkerchiefs (Acts 19:11-12) for me to look at, I'll be happy to oblige. But if you want to play Fox Mulder and tell me there some strange, undiscovered woo out there that keeps itself hidden for some reason and justify it all with a flippant "gee, it's all mysterious and stuff", then stop wasting my time and go boast of your glorious victory to all your friends.

Q. E. D. Now fuck off.

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(January 22, 2012 at 5:36 am)Godschild Wrote: So it's not scripture that you want to argue, it's your idea that you have never nor will ever believe in any miracles because we live in a natural world.

Bingo except for that "nor will ever" part. You show me a miracle and I'll believe. The only thing I'm arguing from scripture is "do you really believe this crap?"

Your god was running amok in the days of old, according to your stories, overturning the natural order the same way that Jesus allegedly did to all the merchant stands in the Temple. These days, he can't seem to do much more than make an appearance on toast.

As I've repeatedly said in this thread, put up or shut up.

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(January 22, 2012 at 5:51 am)Phil Wrote:

(January 22, 2012 at 5:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: By the way ...How is the furniture construction going?

You gotta be kidding. A guy that believes in a book that claims pi is 3 not once but twice builds furniture? well I suppose if he stays away from circles he might be ok but I wouldn't take a chance sitting in a chair he built.

Fortunately, most Christians operate by a different set of rules when they're not in church or trying to treat gays and atheists as second class citizens. Christian doctors prescribe medicine and not exorcism. Christian language teachers try to teach foreign languages rather than get students to speak in tongues. Christian airline pilots rely on aerodynamics rather than angel wings. We all operate by the same rules until Christians want to discuss what scripture says.

(January 22, 2012 at 1:54 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Christian doctors prescribe medicine and not exorcism. Christian language teachers try to teach foreign languages rather than get students to speak in tongues.

It always seems to me that a Christian wouldn't have to get bogged down in the bible, though nearly all do. If they really felt their sky daddy 'moving in their life', as so often we're told is the reason for their faith, they would place their faith in Him directly and not in the holy scrap book. Unless the sky daddy Himself appears to a xtian and hands him a bible that he plucks from behind the xtian's ear, there is no reason and no basis in faith to put so much stock in the bible. Most xtians would rather play lawyer with scriptures than place any faith directly in the sky daddy. (This makes sky daddy sad and that is what causes it to rains.)

Or to put it another way: "you can tell me you put your faith in God to get you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways."

Quote:I agree we live in a natural world and in this natural world God reaches in and miracles become part of reality.

So, to translate G-C, you don't know what "natural world" means, either.

At least you are consistent. Always wrong.

(January 22, 2012 at 1:54 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(January 22, 2012 at 4:24 am)apophenia Wrote: So, in other words, you have no argument.

Well, you just go on believing that. I've presented my arguments and I think they stand just fine on their own. You obviously don't think so and want me to go down the philoso-babble rabbit hole with you to a world of magic and imagination. I, on the other hand, don't want to waste my time talking about undiscovered hypothetical celestial tea pots or that it turns out we really are a brain in a jar somewhere.

I'm just a simple Kentucky boy who lives by common sense. Everything I've learned, observed and experienced in the universe tells me it's a pretty natural place

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That right there is induction. I have no interest in celestial teapots either. However when you talk induction out of one side of your mouth, and deny it out the other, my calling foul has nothing to do with magic. You are behaving profoundly irrationally in doing so. And all this Gomer Pyle "I'm just a simple Kentucky boy" is no excuse for taking a stance that is just plain wrong. I'm sure Kentucky air is as good as any other.

(ETA: Btw, if you truly didn't want to talk about these things, why did you start this thread? Why are you here at all? I rather suggest that someone who spends as much time on a forum about atheism, is a moderator of said forum, and presents themselves as one who "Smites fallacies, dispels magical thinking", I rather suspect you like talking about them a great deal. That you are a "deist" who dispels magical thinking, superficially, suggests that you may have some consistency issues.)

What is your point? Do you have one or are you just pestering me with "oh yeah, well, you're stupid, so there."

Make your point or fuck off.