Oh goodie mehmet, shall I tell Kevin that Turkey no longer needs our billions in foreign aid??

(January 25, 2012 at 5:19 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Oh goodie mehmet, shall I tell Kevin that Turkey no longer needs our billions in foreign aid??

I think we have different ideas in what constitutes, "aid". In our language, that certainly is no cognate to "loan" which you pay out by yourself, with interest.

(January 24, 2012 at 12:20 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: It's not just America ...Australia is a shambles and we still give "foreign aid" to countries that don't need it.

Go figure??

Foreign policy is not now and has never been based on moral principle, although almost everyone likes to claim the moral high ground.(to make the great unwashed feel all virtuous)

Without exception,all relations between nations are on the basis of some kind of quid pro quo.

As contemptuous as I am of Turkey's collective denial of the Armenian Genocide, the French are despicable for using that catastrophe for political gain.

(January 26, 2012 at 2:22 am)padraic Wrote:

(January 24, 2012 at 12:20 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: It's not just America ...Australia is a shambles and we still give "foreign aid" to countries that don't need it.

Go figure??

Foreign policy is not now and has never been based on moral principle, although almost everyone likes to claim the moral high ground.(to make the great unwashed feel all virtuous)

Without exception,all relations between nations are on the basis of some kind of quid pro quo.

As contemptuous as I am of Turkey's collective denial of the Armenian Genocide, the French are despicable for using that catastrophe for political gain.

Pffft...The armenians love it, and they are the ones that are using their "catastrophe" for political gain everywhere.
Besides, I need to tell once more that this isn't just an official policy on the behalf of our country's people, the crushing majority of Turks in Turkey do not accept these allegations. Our policies are in accordance with the will of our people. And I wonder how many Frenchmen actually care if this legislation goes through? Only the ones with Armenian roots, and those of Turkish.

If the Turkish government simply up and "We did it. It was a policy. It hasn't been for a long time. Oops.", you'd defuse a lot of the tensions right there.

It's hard to shame a people who's criminals have long passed.

And so far, Turkey has been rather shameless. So it's not as if Turkey has anything to lose.

(January 26, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: If the Turkish government simply up and "We did it. It was a policy. It hasn't been for a long time. Oops.", you'd defuse a lot of the tensions right there.

It's hard to shame a people who's criminals have long passed.

And so far, Turkey has been rather shameless. So it's not as if Turkey has anything to lose.

No. No no.
No one is going to call our forefathers and our people murderers, and then go about to take our money and our lands as "reparations".
No way. We will not take up such a heavy burden simply to ease tensions, all the while it's nothing but a huge lie to simply stain us.
The day the Turkish government comes forward with such a reply to the issue, is the day the Turkish government at that day present will fall to angry mobs of people and the army, and the police force.
No Turkish politician would dare to condemn us to live the life of a Tätervolk. Besides, the armenians have to answer for Xocaly and Karabagh, we're just biding our time until we can kick them out of Karabagh for good.

So in other words, you just don't want the world to publicly call a spade a spade because you all know what you did and just want another, clandestine opportunity to finally solve that Armenian problem?

And you're sense of pride is more important than defusing the primary weapon of one of your enemies, propaganda.

But then again, the facts may be enough.

(January 26, 2012 at 4:41 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: If the Turkish government simply up and "We did it. It was a policy. It hasn't been for a long time. Oops.", you'd defuse a lot of the tensions right there.

It's hard to shame a people who's criminals have long passed.

And so far, Turkey has been rather shameless. So it's not as if Turkey has anything to lose.

No. No no.
No one is going to call our forefathers and our people murderers, and then go about to take our money and our lands as "reparations".
No way. We will not take up such a heavy burden simply to ease tensions, all the while it's nothing but a huge lie to simply stain us.
The day the Turkish government comes forward with such a reply to the issue, is the day the Turkish government at that day present will fall to angry mobs of people and the army, and the police force.
No Turkish politician would dare to condemn us to live the life of a Tätervolk. Besides, the armenians have to answer for Xocaly and Karabagh, we're just biding our time until we can kick them out of Karabagh for good.

Gobble Gobble Gobble.

(January 26, 2012 at 5:29 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: So in other words, you just don't want the world to publicly call a spade a spade because you all know what you did and just want another, clandestine opportunity to finally solve that Armenian problem?

And you're sense of pride is more important than defusing the primary weapon of one of your enemies, propaganda.

But then again, the facts may be enough.

There is no "armenian problem" from our viewpoint. In fact, the armenians themselves are a problem. Truth be said, it is them who are bringing this issue forward to foreign nations, and asking their aid, rather than dealing directly with us in any matter. Besides, the world does not really care. And politicians do what they have to, to gain votes, and the armenians exploit this to the full. They even voted for Obama when he said he'd recognize their so-called genocide, but then realized he can't turn his back on an ally like us.
Besides, you cannot "defuse" something like a genocide accusation.
Can the germans defuse their genocide? It's written on their foreheads now. Besides the huge chunks of reparations they had to pay to the jews, in addition to the reparations of WWI and WWII, they are constantly demonized in every holocaust and WWII movie that is ever made in hollywood or elsewhere.
This isn't a matter of "bah, accept it and leave it at that". You are taking upon yourself a very serious burden, but you obviously fail to see that.
Besides, why take the blame for a crime that we did not commit?
It's really as simple as that.

The germans are not constantly demonized. In fact, they nearly ran the show in the EU with regards to the financial crisis with Italy and Greece.

Kind of hard to be universally hated while mysteriously winning the confidence of other countries to manage their financial future.

And they got away with brutally liquidating large swathes of non-German peoples, at least from the perspective of the prosperity and wealth their country has enjoyed.

Be accurate.