(March 25, 2012 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote: What torture are you speaking? Hell? Hell is retuning you to the nothingness you were called out of. What makes it a fate worse than burning forever in a fire, is the lamenting and regret we have from seeing all the love and completeness He has to offer, and then having it striped away as you return from the vacuum of creation whence you came.

If you return to nothingness, you will be unable to comprehend all the luscious shit that you've missed out on. The moment your brain dies you will know nothing, think nothing and not even know you ever lived...there will be no lamenting and regret, it is impossible.

(March 25, 2012 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote: Side note do you know what gnashing of teeth is? I didn't know till i experienced one day. It is the lock jaw response when one is in exceeding torment panic and pain. all the while the individual is screaming through those tightly clenched teeth.

Do you realize how idiotic your statement is? Gnashing of teeth is from the Greek Brygmos which is where the medical term Bruxism comes from. Stop talking because each time you make yourself sound more retarded.

Thanks Christian and Drich for the answers given, you both defend your faith well.

(March 26, 2012 at 5:06 am)Godschild Wrote: Thanks Christian and Drich for the answers given, you both defend your faith well.

A man in the nuthouse defends his faith that he's a hedgehog. Even if you show him a mirror and some pictures of hedgehogs. That proves faith proves nothing, right?


Nietzsche and Doug Adams reference all in one burn? You're goddamn right.

(March 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Who gave us the ability to sin?

(March 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Who redeems sin?

The only one who can work wonders....God

(March 26, 2012 at 4:34 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Taking into account that everyone is born without any knowledge this implies that an individual can essentially lean towards any religion given the relative exposure. If an individual remains unexposed to religion they will percieve the world from a 'neutral' perspective (that is to say not leaning towards any particular religion).

While an individual might be "born" without inherent knowledge, religion can still take root very quickly. We can see causality in action every day and when considering things without an apparent cause, our minds won't hesitate in providing with imaginary ones. That does not mean that the individual would lean towards one religion or another - why, he may come up with a religion of his own. However, religion here would be the result of limited knowledge and any leanings, even if such existed, would still be wrong.

I'm just wondering.. I keep mentioning that the person that saved you lot most likely didn't exist. Logically this should be one of the BIGGEST points you guys should be arguing against because your faith hinges on that man's existence. It doesn't matter how well you can construct reality based on theology because without the pillar, who is Jesus, the whole structure comes crashing down.

Simple as that.

(March 26, 2012 at 5:29 am)Christian Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Who gave us the ability to sin?

(March 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Who redeems sin?

The only one who can work wonders....God

I resent that. I work wonders every day. Doctors, teachers, artists, mothers, fathers, students, soldiers, engineers, scientists and the waitress at IHOP work wonders every day. Surely, since no one has ever even proven gods of any kind exist, we can give credit to at least all of the people in this world who have been busy working real, tangible wonders in the real world.

Surely this invisible god of yours is not the only one who can work wonders. God didn't have a thing to do with all their wonders. And if you're going to credit him for a lot of awesome people's efforts, will you not credit him for all of the tremendous fuck-ups as well?

Perhaps there are some holes in your morality and logic that you should examine a little bit before opening your taco chute with some stupid bullshit like that.

god the only one who can work wonders?? Give me a fucking break!

(March 26, 2012 at 5:37 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 26, 2012 at 4:34 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Taking into account that everyone is born without any knowledge this implies that an individual can essentially lean towards any religion given the relative exposure. If an individual remains unexposed to religion they will percieve the world from a 'neutral' perspective (that is to say not leaning towards any particular religion).

While an individual might be "born" without inherent knowledge, religion can still take root very quickly. We can see causality in action every day and when considering things without an apparent cause, our minds won't hesitate in providing with imaginary ones. That does not mean that the individual would lean towards one religion or another - why, he may come up with a religion of his own. However, religion here would be the result of limited knowledge and any leanings, even if such existed, would still be wrong.

I can only partially agree because there is a known Brazilian tribe that doesn't worship a divine being of their own. This goes to show that no exposure to scripture of any sort can sometimes leave the individual with that neutral view of the world.

(March 26, 2012 at 5:38 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I'm just wondering.. I keep mentioning that the person that saved you lot most likely didn't exist. Logically this should be one of the BIGGEST points you guys should be arguing against because your faith hinges on that man's existence. It doesn't matter how well you can construct reality based on theology because without the pillar, who is Jesus, the whole structure comes crashing down.

Simple as that.

There is more than enough evidence that Jesus Christ existed. You can start the ball rolling by reading the Bible. 1 Corinthians 15:14-19.