Why would I give a shit after this point? I have conversations with men, not weasels.

(March 31, 2012 at 11:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Then ask me to explain

One simple question. Do you believe god has the omni traits or not? Or don't you know?

The omni aspects of God is a religious work trying to describe the aspects of God mentioned in the bible. The problem here is the "short definition" provided by this work does not encompass the complete understanding offered by an infinite God. In short the word is "finite" and God isn't.

Therefore their can be truth found in the omni aspects of God, yet not doctrinal truth meaning the descriptions/definitions provided by this religious work are not actually found in the bible.

It's kinda like an unauthorized biography. there is truth, but not a whole understanding of truth. it is full representation of truth by the people who understand it to be true.

So you're interested in the biblical account, except when you aren't, instead deferring to some extra-biblical authority also known as "shit that Drich likes to believe". That about sum that up?

(March 31, 2012 at 11:12 pm)Drich Wrote: The omni aspects of God is a religious work trying to describe the aspects of God mentioned in the bible. The problem here is the "short definition" provided by this work does not encompass the complete understanding offered by an infinite God. In short the word is "finite" and God isn't.

So you believe he is infinite therefore does have the omni traits?

Quote:Therefore their can be truth found in the omni aspects of God, yet not doctrinal truth meaning the descriptions/definitions provided by this religious work are not actually found in the bible.

This is puzzling. So god both has and doesn't have omni traits. Your god you can believe what you want..

Quote:It's kinda like an unauthorized biography. there is truth, but not a whole understanding of truth. it is full representation of truth by the people who understand it to be true.

Hmmm. Seems more of a collection of stories based on ancient myths of gods from as far back as the ancient Egyptians. That or there are striking similarities.

(March 31, 2012 at 11:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So you're interested in the biblical account, except when you aren't, instead deferring to some extra-biblical authority also known as "shit that Drich likes to believe". That about sum that up?

What's the matter?? finally figure out you loaded question is not going to work here?

I'm not sure the whole "unauthorized biography" bit sits right with me either. Seems to me I may have heard someone arguing about how god might write a book so that people would know him. Can't for the life of me remember who might've said something like that. Not sure how we're supposed to get to know someone from the hearsay and rumors of an "unauthorized biography". To each his own, I suppose.

(March 31, 2012 at 11:18 pm)Insanity x Wrote: So you believe he is infinite therefore does have the omni traits?

Fallacy of many questions.

Quote:This is puzzling. So god both has and doesn't have omni traits. Your god you can believe what you want..

Real simple
God is infinate. our ablity to describe All of the personality traits of God accuratly is very finite. Narrow it down to one word phrases the description of God suffers even more.

So is their truth in the omni aspects of God yes.

Does the omni apsects of God completely describe the infinate nature of God? no.

Quote:Hmmm. Seems more of a collection of stories based on ancient myths of gods from as far back as the ancient Egyptians. That or there are striking similarities.

Forgive me, but it is truly hard to tell if you are just skimming my work for key words that will allow you set up your next response, or if you truly can not comprehend what is being discussed.
I do not mean the following to be condescending:

What I was describing was the difference between Truth and biblical/Doctrinal truth. The reason truth is like a unauthorized biography is because the person writing the unauthorized biography may not have a complete understanding of whom he is documenting.

This relates to the omni aspects of God by saying, The omni aspects of God are not identified in the bible (Authorized biography) Therefore it maybe subject to misconception and error. Just like an Unauthorized Biography would be. However that said just because it is an unauthorized, does not mean it doesn't hold truth.

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(March 31, 2012 at 11:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm not sure the whole "unauthorized biography" bit sits right with me either. Seems to me I may have heard someone arguing about how god might write a book so that people would know him. Can't for the life of me remember who might've said something like that. Not sure how we're supposed to get to know someone from the hearsay and rumors of an "unauthorized biography". To each his own, I suppose.

See the above post

If you find that you're consistently unable to communicate your message effectively, perhaps you should work on the delivery (or reconsider the message itself)?

If your everyday run of the mill truth is unauthorized truth, and biblical truth is authorized truth, then why leverage the unauthorized shit, seeing as you have a much better source so ready at hand? If the author does not have a complete understanding of whom he is documenting, perhaps it should not be advertised as an understanding at all, sounds more like a collection of personal opinions. Much like your own, with regards to the same.

(March 31, 2012 at 11:19 pm)Drich Wrote: What's the matter?? finally figure out you loaded question is not going to work here?

What's the matter, don't like being called on your bullshit? Easy solution, stop bullshitting. Your arguments probably aren't half as clever (nor we half as dull) as you might have hoped. Assert, evade, assert, evade, wiggle a little bit...forgive me for finding this entire routine to be less than convincing.

It doesn't particularly matter which omni traits Drich's god has, the Epicurean paradox still works.