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Is god bound by logic?
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 (August 12, 2010 at 1:25 pm)theophilus Wrote: God's thought processes are so far superior to ours that we can't judge whether or not they are logical. Isaiah 55:8,9 says "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." He's your fictional hero, Theo. You can make him do or say whatever you like.  
Isn't that something? I imagined God away, and the world looks exactly as it did 5 minutes ago, only darker.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you 
 (August 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm)Captain Scarlet Wrote: But coming away from the bible if god 'lives' outside of the universe and therefore time he cannot think at all. This would be because he would be frozen in stasis with no internal processes. If we allow him to think he must be caught up in time and space and therefore finite and not god. Which is it?How do you know what it would be like to live outside the universe and time?
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV  (August 13, 2010 at 1:00 pm)theophilus Wrote:(August 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm)Captain Scarlet Wrote: But coming away from the bible if god 'lives' outside of the universe and therefore time he cannot think at all. This would be because he would be frozen in stasis with no internal processes. If we allow him to think he must be caught up in time and space and therefore finite and not god. Which is it?How do you know what it would be like to live outside the universe and time? I don't. My claim is via a strong inductive inference. It is the best we can do when a fictional realm is propsed as it cannot be falsified. Much like you cannot disprove or know of Valhalla an altogether more agreeable place than heaven. Now that would be an afterlife to look forward to!  RE: Is god bound by logic?
April 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2012 at 6:30 pm by tryblinking.)
logic > god
Ah, Lord God! Behold, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for you. —Jeremiah 32:17 That means any task can be done, which would includes setting himself an impossible task. Obviously, that breaks logic. So, he couldn't create a stone so large he couldn't lift it, as a physical example. Could he make a 4-sided triangle. Could end his existence, or make 5 equals of himself. More fundamentally, he cannot choose to exist and not exist at the same time. That breaks logic, hence ^. he also can choose to forget things permanently: I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake; and I will not remember your sins. —Isaiah 43:25 for a deity advertised as constantly consistent and unchanging, that's a logical contradiction right there. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 1 Corinthians 13:11 
of course he couldn't forget something, even if he wanted to, as then he wouldn't be all knowing.
ridiculous. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 1 Corinthians 13:11  (April 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm)tryblinking Wrote: logic > god Please bring less childish arguments to the table, we've been through all those so many times it hurts to read them. By the way welcome to the forum, it's nice to meet you.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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