The Cinjinization in that post was tantalising.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm)tobie Wrote: If you want examples of atheists being persecuted, here are a few:

1) As late as the 18th century, atheism was regarded as detrimental to society, with even the more libertarian theologians wanted to rescind the citizenship of atheists

2) If you were provably atheist, you could be denied custody of your children ( as happened to Percy Shelley )

Generally, it is difficult to find examples of Atheist "martyrdom", because it was generally called "Satanism" or "Witchcraft". Atheists have been persecuted as long as religion has existed, and in some countries, still carries a prison sentence, even a death sentence.

1) Oh heavens no, you mean they couldn't be citizens in the 18th century. What should we do?

2) Christian persecution goes back to the 1st century AD, and it was far worse than "losing your baby" or citizenship.


If that was the case then how come you cannot give an example other than a baseless assertion of "satanism" or "witchcraft" charges were generally against atheist.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:21 pm)Abishalom Wrote: If that was the case then how come you cannot give an example other than a baseless assertion of "satanism" or "witchcraft" charges were generally against atheist.

Because atheists are not a demographic which you can group together like Christians or Jews. They are not easily identified especially in times where they were discriminated against. Use your fucking brain.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm)Abishalom Wrote: Is there a specific reason why those verses you quoted used NAB sometimes and NLT others. I use the Hebrew interlinear, so I'll go check what they say in a bit.

Do whatchya gotta do man.
I certainly don't expect an apology forthcoming. Rather verbal gymnastics, biblical apologetics, arguments of context, and my personal favorite - simply ignore the parts you can't explain.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(May 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm)Abishalom Wrote: Is there a specific reason why those verses you quoted used NAB sometimes and NLT others. I use the Hebrew interlinear, so I'll go check what they say in a bit.

Do whatchya gotta do man.
I certainly don't expect an apology forthcoming. Rather verbal gymnastics, biblical apologetics, arguments of context, and my personal favorite ... simply ignore the parts you can't explain.

If context does not matter to you, then there is no point in me responding. Is that true? Because all I was going to do was go to the Hebrew interlinear and put these verse in context.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Do whatchya gotta do man.
I certainly don't expect an apology forthcoming. Rather verbal gymnastics, biblical apologetics, and my personal favorite ... simply ignore the parts you can't explain.

Silly Cinjin, truly, after all this time in the forum you still expect any honesty from reiigionists? I admire your patience man...

I object to the premise of this; atheists are *not* intolerant... I am though. :-)

I, as an individual, am intolerant of anyone who thinks they have a right to be listened to without fact, evidence or reason to back them up. Ya know, like they have some kind of right to instant respect and acknowledgement.
Wow, now I come to think of it that sounds eerily familiar doesn't it?

(May 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Silly Cinjin, truly, after all this time in the forum you still expect any honesty from reiigionists? I admire your patience man...

On the contrary ... I NEVER expect honesty from a christian.


I do however continue to hope.

(May 6, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I do however continue to hope.

One can only dream, for the moment. People invested so much pride into those beliefs that is very hard for them to even consider that their god might not be real.