(May 28, 2012 at 1:48 am)Godschild Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm)Tobie Wrote: Even if god made a mistake, he would not change it?

Do you not understand the meaning of perfect.

That means he is not all-powerful. An all-powerful being has the ability to do everything, including making mistakes, so either your god can and does make mistakes or he is not all-powerful.

(May 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 26, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So there's no chance of God deciding to change the script, as it were? I'm assuming from your wording that it has the power to do so if it chooses.

No change, God's will prevails and is perfect.

That wasn't the question. Stimbo didn't ask if god's will is going to prevail, he asked if god has to hold true to the author of Revelations. If god changed his mind, it would technically still be the "perfect will of god."

So answer the real question. Can't god decide to do an alternate ending than Revelations??


According to scriptures, he's changed his mind before ... and often.




Now that I think about it ... what if he decided not to return to earth, what are a bunch of dead mortals going to do to an omnipotent being breaking his promise? You aint gonna do jack shit. Maybe jesus just changed his mind and decided (once again) that the human race just wasn't worth it.

(May 28, 2012 at 11:44 am)Cinjin Wrote: So answer the real question. Can't god decide to do an alternate ending than Revelations??

You know Cin, with all the different translations and interpretations, anything can happen. Be sure that there will always be some idiot willing to claim that he has interpreted the 'right' message in the chicken entrails, oh sorry, the bible and say that his god is perfect. So, it's not about an alternate ending, it's about the True Christian™ -ending.

Assuming the xtians are absolutely correct and the story has to play out exactly as written, then the bible becomes one of those movie scripts that get leaked over the internet and spoil the ending. In this case we get: enter our hero stage right, epic Lord of the Rings battle scene, Judgement Day, zombies, bags of CGI, a final knock-down-drag-out between JC and Satan, JC Kirks Satan off a cliff into lake of fire, chosen élite go off to explore the Universe in a Borg ship, the end. Roll credits.

Problem is, if we know this stuff, then Satan knows it as well. From its point of view, it's got its claws on the Prima Official Strategy Guide to the Final Battle. God is either the shittiest general in the history of the Universe to leak this vital information on purpose, or else it's planning to do an eleventh hour bait 'n' switch (which would mean we can't trust the bible anyway).

Either way, I'm wondering just how this god can be considered as having any power at all if it's so completely constrained by the script that ad libbing becomes impossible. It's like that joke in Blackadder about the executioner who signed his name on the wrong line on a death warrant - no matter how much he protested that they had the wrong man, they actually had the right man and the papers to prove it ...

(May 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 26, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So there's no chance of God deciding to change the script, as it were? I'm assuming from your wording that it has the power to do so if it chooses.

No change, God's will prevails and is perfect.

So you like to pretend. Why, its almost like all those screw-up humans and angels he created didn't even exist!

God knows he's not perfect, yes, but we're not supposed to know that, hence why he's always pissed off. His secret is out. It'll take the tragedies of Revelations and the destruction of all who oppose him and inducing amnesia on all those who side with him just to calm him down. What a spoilt brat is your deity.

(May 28, 2012 at 3:58 am)Tobie Wrote:

(May 28, 2012 at 1:48 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you not understand the meaning of perfect.

That means he is not all-powerful. An all-powerful being has the ability to do everything, including making mistakes, so either your god can and does make mistakes or he is not all-powerful.

You are going to make G-C's tiny brain explode.

(May 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 28, 2012 at 3:58 am)Tobie Wrote: That means he is not all-powerful. An all-powerful being has the ability to do everything, including making mistakes, so either your god can and does make mistakes or he is not all-powerful.

You are going to make G-C's tiny brain explode.

Sorry for the mess.

(May 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm)Tobie Wrote: Sorry for the mess.

One speck does not a mess make..

Zing!

(May 28, 2012 at 3:58 am)Tobie Wrote:

(May 28, 2012 at 1:48 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you not understand the meaning of perfect.

That means he is not all-powerful. An all-powerful being has the ability to do everything, including making mistakes, so either your god can and does make mistakes or he is not all-powerful.

Now that is a stupid statement, being all powerful, God's plan is perfect and needs no changes, actually you're being ridiculous, an all knowing and all powerful God does not make mistakes. To make a mistake would be a contradiction to omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. I guess you answered my question, you do not know what perfect means, I thought you to be smarter than this.